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Dear Henry: |

I am enclosing carbon copy of a letter I have just
written to Mr. C. EH, McBride, which is self-explanatory.

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hold it open, if you will, because things may not turn out
as we expected, ond we would be glad to: have you on sur card.

I om sending @ similar note to Jack Gardner.
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Lieut. Back Gardner, USER,
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Kansas City, Kansas.

Dear Jacks

We have finally arranged so that Missouri
and Kensas will play double-headers in Municipal Auditorium
with the Iowa Pre-Flight School and Great Lakes.

I em sorry that things were such that we
oould net arrange to have your pre-flight school with Okla-
homa Aggies and somo other school play the preliminary game.
However, I thank you for your cooperation.

With all good wishes, I am

Sincerely yours,

Pirestor of Physical Education,
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July 18, 1942.

Mr. George Edwards,
Basketball Coach,
University of Missouri,
Columbia, Missouri.

Dear Georges

Now I om sure that you did not get it in
my letter as of July lst. I meant to convey directly this
thought += that Kansas rented the Municipal Auditorium and
it was their prerogative to ask in any schools as they
desired them. :

My reference to “dictate” had to do with
the very thing that you suggested, that Missouri play on the
same bill with Kansas. I thought the more delicate thing
would have been to have waited until you were asked. —

Very cordially yours,

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_ FCA:AH Varsity Basketball Coach.

 
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COLUMBIA

INTERCOLLEGIATE ATHLETICS | July 10,1942.

Dre Fe Co Allen,

Director of Physical Education,
University of Kansas,

Lawrence, Kan.

Dear Dr, Allen:

Inasmuch as details concerning the appearances
of the service teams in this area next winter have been
settle there is no imperative reason for writing this
letter. However, there was an accusation included in
your letter of July 1 which I believe warrants more dis-
cussion since if the point is not clarified our future
relations may be marked by considerable distrust.

You state: "It is still difficult for me to
understand why someone from the outside should tell the
host school what they should do concerning their own
arrangements, and finally, with the disposition of their
own moneye Certainly neither I nor anyone else that I
have to do with at Kansas has ever dictated to Missouri
how Missouri should conduct her own show",

To me the terms "suggestion" and "dictation"
imply two contrasting attitudes although one must admit.
that occassionally a suggestion may be given in such a
way that compulsion is involved. In this case I offered,
or suggested, to cooperate in a double header series in
Kansas City. From information available to me at the time
it looked as if the idea was a good one. There was no
compulsion involvede The plan did not appeal to you and
you refused to accept the suggestion. That was your priv=
ilege and you exercised it.

A later remark in your letter regarding Missouri's
desire to give all to Navy Relief indicates that you have
been misinformed, or have misinterpreted some statemente
At no time have we desired to give up a reasonable share
of the gate receipts of such contests. McBride hinted that
a sacrifice of that kind would be a pleasant gesture, but
the idea was solely his. Please re-read that comment some=
time. It does not credit us with such a proposal. In fact
the matter of finances was discussed with him only on the
grounds that a double header plan might turn in a larger
amount to Navy Relief than two single games. Making the
program a charity affair was never mentioned, nor was it
ever in my mind.
UNIVERSITY OF MISSOURI

COLUMBIA

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INTERCOLLEGIATE ATHLETICS

If the volunteering of suggestions constitutes
dictation then there are numerous instances in which
you have been just as guilty as I have been in this
instance. I refer to a few.

What would you call published criticisms of N.C.AA.
basketball administration ? How about public expressions
of your opinions regarding intercollegiate football policies ?
Was inference that Missouri handles complimentary tickets
at basketball games at attempt to dictate or to suggest
improvement ? : |

One could write at length regarding your expression
of opinions and suggestions to others concerned with athletic
administration, but the above will serve my purpose of
pointing out I have not been any more busy poking into
other's affairs than have youe

In those cases mentioned, and in all of the rest, my
personal reaction has been that you have detected an error;
that you have seen a possible solution; and that you have
contributed your ideas.e It is not only the privilege but
the duty, I think, for those who are interested and qual-=
ified to render such service. You have done so often in
the past and undoubtedly will continue the practice. So
will I,

We tend to differ, though, in one respect. When
those in charge feel that my suggestions do not offer an
improvement I accept their decision, and attempt to stay
with them by cooperation until my idea is proved or dis=
provede Usually you, however, are more tenacious and do -
not accept rejections but continue to advance your sug=-
gestions.

When Mac printed your reasons for not wishing to
adopt the double header plan,- although you admit having
discussed this same idea with Iba,- I could easily put
myself in your placee Until then I had no knowledge of
Kansas' dire financial situation. When those facts were
presented I withdrew my suggestion and offered an apology
for any embarrassment caused.

In closing, I hope that I have shown that there was
no intention to "dictate" how Kansas should run its affairs.
If I haven't then there is nothing more for me to do as
my conscience is clear in this respecte Your decision has
been accepted; we have gone ahead with other plans; and I

hope your games bring you léts of money.

Yours truly, Z
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COLUMBIA

July 10, 1942.

Dr. ¥, Ce Allen

Director of Physical Education
University of Sansas

Lawrence, Kan.

Dear Dre Allen:

Inasmuch as details concerning the appearances of the service teams
in this area next winter have been settled there is no imperative reason for
writing this letter. However, there was an accusation included in your letter
of July 1 which I believe warrants more discussion since if the point is not
clarified our future relations may be marked by considerable distrust.

You state: “It is still difficult for m to understand why someone
from the outside should tell the host school what they should do concerning their
own arrangements, and finally, with the disposition of their own money. Certainly
neither I nor anyone else that I have to do with et Kansas has ever dictated to
Missouri how Missouri should conduct her own show."

To me the terms "suggestion" and "dictation” imply two contrasting
attitudes although one mst admit that occasionally a suggestion may be given
in such a way that compulsion is involved. In this case I offered, or suggested,
to cooperate in a double header series in Kansas City. From information avail-
able to me at the time it looked as if the idea was a good one. ‘There was no
compulsion involved. The plan did not appeal to you and you refused to accept
the suggestion. That was your privilege and you exercised it.

4 later remark in your letter regarding Missouri's desire to give all
to Navy Relief indicates that you have been misinformed, or have misinterpreted
some statement. At no time heve we desired to give up a reasonable share of the
gate receipts of such contests. McBride hinted that a sacrifice of that kind
would be a pleasant gesture, but the idea was solely his. Please re-read that

comment sometime. It does not credit us with such a proposal. In fact the matter

of finances was discussed with him only on the grounds that a double header plan
might turn in a larger amount to Navy Relief than two single games. Making the
program a charity affair was never mentioned, nor was it ever in my mind.

If the volunteering of suggestions constitutes dictation then there are
numerous instances in which you have been just as guilty eas I have been in this
instance. I refer to a few. :

What would you call published criticisms of N.C.A.A. basketball adminis-
tration, How about public expressions of your opinions regarding intercollegiate
football policies? Was inference that Missouri handles complimentary tickets at
basketball games an attempt to dictate or to suggest improvement?

 
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One cound write at length regarding your expression of opinions and
suggestions to others conserned with athletic administration, but the above will serve
my purpose of pointing out I have not been any more busy poking into other's affairs
than have you.

In those cases mentioned, and in all of the rest, my personal reaction

has bea that you have detected an error; that you have seen ® possible solutions

and that you have contributed your ideas. it is not only the privilege but the
duty, I think, for those who are interested end qualified to render such service.
You have done so often in the past and undboutedly will continue the practice. So

We tend to differ, though, in one respect. When those in charge feel that
my suggestions do not offer an improvement I accept their decision, and attempt to
stay with them by cooperation until my idea is proved or disproved. Usually you,
however, are more tenacious and do not accept rejections but continue to advance
your guggestions.

When Mac printed your reasons for not wishing to adopt the double header
plan, - although you admit having discussed this same idea with Iba, - I could easily
put myself in your place. Until then I had no knowledge of Kansas’ dire financial
situation, When those facts were presented I withdrew my suggestion and offered an
apology for any embarrassment caused.

In closing, I hope that I have shown that there was no intention to “dictate” —
how Kansas should run ite affairs. If I haven't then there is nothing more for me
to do as my conscience is clear in this respect. Your decision has been accepted;
we have gone ahead with other plans; and I hope your games bring you lots of money.

Yours truly,

(Signed) George

 

 
 

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UNIVERSITY OF MISSOURI
COLUMBIA

Dr. F « Ce Allen

Director of Physical Education
University of Kansas
Lawrence, Kan.

Dear Dr. Allen:

Inasmuch as details concerning the appearances of the service teams
in this area next winter have been settled there is no imperative reason for
writing this letter. However, there was an accusation included in your letter
of duly 1 which I believe warrants more discussion since if the point is not
clarified our future relations may be marked by considerable distrust.

You state: “It is still difficult for me to understand why: someone
from the outside should tell the host school what they should do concerning their
own arrangements, and finally, with the disposition of their owm moneys Certainly
neither I nor anyone else that I have to do with at Kansas has ever dictated to
Missouri how Missouri should conduct her own show."

To me the terms "suggestion" and "dictation" imply two contrasting
attitudes although one mist admit that occasionally a suggestion may be given
in such a way that compulsion is involved, In this case I offered, or suggested,
to cooperate in a double header series in Kansas City. From information avail-
able to me at the time it looked as if the idea was a good one. There was no
compulsion involved. The plan did not appeal to you and you refused to accept
the suggestion. That was your privilege and you exercised it.

A later remark in your letter regarding Missouri's desire to give all
to Navy Relief indicates that you have been misinformed, or have mis interpreted
some statements At no time have we desired to give up a reasonable share of the
gate receipts of such contests. McBride hinted that a sacrifice of that kind
would be a pleasant gesture, but the idea was solely his. Please re-read that
comment sometime. It does not credit us with such a proposal. In fact the matter
of finances was discussed with him only on the grounds that a double header plan
might turn in a larger amount to Navy Relief than two single games. Making the
program a charity affair was never mentioned, nor was it ever in my mind,

If the volunteering of suggestions constitutes dictation then there are
numerous instances in which you have been just as guilty as I have been in this
instance. I refer to a few. |

What would you call published criticisms of N.C.A.A. basketball adminis-
tration. How about public expressions of your opinions regarding intercollegiate
football policies? Was inference that Missouri handles complimentary tickets at
basketball games an attempt to dictate or to suggest improvement?

 

 
 

One cound write at length regarding your expression of opinions and
suggestions to others concerned with athletic administration, but the above will serve
my purpose of pointing out I have not been any more busy poking into other's affairs
than have youe

«Im those cases mentioned, and in all of the rest, my personal reaction
has bem that you have detected an error; that you have seen a possible solutions
and that you have contributed your ideas. It is not only the privilege but the
duty, I think, for those who are interested end qualified to render such service.
You have done so often in the past and undboutedly will continue the practice. So
will I..

We tend to differ, though, in one respect. When those in charge feel that
my suggestions do not offer an improvement I accept their decision, and attempt to
stay with them by cooperation until my idea is proved or disproved. Usually you, oe
however, are more tenacious and do not accept rejections but continue to advance
your guggestions.

When Mac printed your reasons for not wishing to adopt the double header
plan, - although you admit having discussed this same idea with Iba, - I could easily
put myself in your place. Until then I had no knowledge of Kansas' dire financial
situation. When those facts were presented I withdrew my suggextion and offered an
apology for any embarrassment caused. 7

In closing, I hope that I have shown that there was no intention to "dictate" |
how Kansas should run its affairs. If I haven't then there is nothing more for me
to do as my conscience is clear in this respect. Your decision has been accepted; —
we have gone ahead with other plans; and I hope your games bring you lots of money. —

Yours truly,

(Signed) George

 
August 8, 1942.

Mr. Dorman H. O'Leary,
Stern Brose, Inve,

1009 Baltimore Ave.,

Kansas City, Mo.

Dear Dummy:

and me on the Missouri situation.

I know that you will be happy that this
has worked out. I believe that I can work with Harry Welsh
as I have been very frank with him and I have been favorably
impressed with his actions. ‘

Director of Physical Education,
PCA:AH Varsity Basketball Coach.

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June 29, 942.

I an sending you a copy of a letter that George Edwards
wrote Gwinn Hemry regarding our participation and expenses in |
the Western B.CeAsd. basketball play~offe in the Auditorium
last spring. I would like for you to read this correspondence = |
first, and then follow it up with my letter to. McBride and the
correspondence that I have had with the Navy people.

"3 do not want to be dictatorial nor do I want to be “s
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in Kengas City as they term that virgin Missouri soil.

I have received letters from all sources, ee eee
Welsh, who is on the board at the Auditorium. I promised him
See ESI een Sa es Nia ead HN SER Me Heme The

Prior to my doing definitely I talked to both the
Chancellor and Professor ie We Davis, chairman of the athletic

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Director of Physical Rducation,
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Very cordially yours,

 
 

 

August 1, 1942.

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Mire Harry H. Welsh, Ur.,
Suite 814 Commerce Trust Bldges
Kansas City, Mo.

Dear Harry:

I have come to no definite decision since having
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MeBride that a a te eee

Ser ou thar Metwanet es ‘The persomel, equipment and
special problems feature that I have on this agenda is

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But I will give you a report in the next two weeks,
I hopes

‘I enjoyed the visit with you very moh and enjoyed
diseussing several factors that I am sure will make our
reintonskip wove pleasent then 1% hes heen hereteteres

With 022 good wishes, I om

Sincerely yours,

| | Birector of Physical Riucation,
POA: AH Varsity Basketball Coach.

 
 

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Suite 814 Commerce Trust Bldg.,
922 Walnut i hag

| ‘Kensas City, Mos
Dear Harry:
Iwill try to get to your Se
12 and 12:30 on Saturday. If I come on the train it may be

eround 12:50. iniohien Sf X deten 3 i will come earlier, but
I am trying to save on tires. |

Looking forward to seeing you on Saturday, I an

Sincerely yours,

| Director of Physical Education,
POA:AE roe Varsity Basketball Coach.

 
 

GUY W. COX, President

 
 
 

 
  

Lite Insurance Company

HOME OFFICE
BOSTON, MASSACHUSETTS
HARRY H. WELSH, Jr., General Agent
Suite 814 Commerce Trust Building

uivy 21. 194 922 Wainut Street
wes : é Telephone Harrison 0735 KANSAS CITY, MO.

Mr. Forrest C. Allen

Director of Physical Education
Varsity Basketball Coach
University of Kansas

Lawrence, Kansas

Dear Mr. Allen:

I will be happy to have lunch with you
Saturday and will spend as much time with you as you can
Spares

If you will call or come to my office
when you arrive in town we will decide then where to have
lunch.

Looking forward to seeing you, I remain

Sineerly yours,

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General Agent

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August 4, 1942.

Yieut. J. BH. Gardner, USNR,
Athletic Officer,
Kansas City, Zaneas.

 

Dear Jacks ;
Doubtless our letters passed in the mail.

I have had one conference with Harry Welsh,
as I told you in my other letter, and I em hoping to
get this matter straightensd up in a week. Will that
be sufficient time? I certainly want to mike the best
arrangements possible for all coneerned, and do not want
to hold back, but I cannot mke a decision before that
' ‘tine.

: Sincerely yours,

Director of Physical Eduestion,

 
U. S. NAVAL RESERVE AVIATION BASE

FAIRFAX AIRPORT
KANSAS CITY, KANSAS

1 August 1942

Dear Dr, Allen:

I would be pleased to know what decision has been reached re=

garding Oklahoma A&M playing us January 29th. They would like to play us

in Kansas City, end if the proposed double header is not going to material-
ize, would like to start negotiations for some other date. Would apprec-
iate hearing from you at your earliest convenience.

With best wishes, I remain,

Sincerely yours,

- H. Gardner
Lieutenant (jg), USNR
‘ Athletic Officer

Dr. Forrest Allen

Director of Physical Education
University of Kansas

Lawrence, Kansas