H. J. KINDRED, MGR. MONEY LOANED Salaried People erin nh iz CITY FINANCE COMPANY PERSONAL LOANS - CAR LOANS - FURNITURE LOANS 609 MERCHANT STREET BROADVIEW HOTEL BUILDING EMPORIA; KANSAS August 14, 1959. Dre FeCe Allen, Varsity Basketball Coach, University of Kansas, Lawrence, Kansas, Dear Doc: I have been meaning to write you for some time, but am Shamefully late in doing so. At the time school was out you were very busy and hard to contact, so I didn't see you personally as I had hoped to. I want to thank you for all the assisstance you gave me while I was in school. As I look back now I realize it would have been almost impossible for me to finish had it not been for the work you gave mé« it was a great privelege to play basketball for you, and I cherish many memories and experiences which I shall never forget. I was having the best time of my life and didn't realize it. Now, I only wish it was ahead instead of behind me. I see by the papers that you have invented a new game, and that it is similar to basketball. However, according to Florell it is much faster and more exciting. It must be a game of fast action with ee of becoming a new national game. maestros a letter from Ralph Miller this morning and I am glad he is getting along so nicely. You should, barring unforeseen complications, have a successful basketball season. At least, more so than last year. I hope to see you at some of the games. Please give my regards to Mrs. Allen and to Bobe Sincerely yours, Seas eo eee ae Se Rete Se GTS DEN | eB Ree ey SUN TIE, UR pies aaa One (RS i eGR: eas ete: Rae ICS ETT ONT ee seats ke yy cree Cea eae te EIDE Pg See ie Sg ZUR ES, PRR Se AE TSS SN RSE ae ei a i oe ane aa Rare Te SAS UES hg aye 5 Ad ante lay etree asec MNUr At paaatin oy th raemg ane Aas eopeae ca MN: Sese uly 20, 1939¢ yours, reneniber that Jap Haskell sent Abe Kitchell and sane the told sister there Aggies dee. of a boy of the sta , Ge 1 % you 4 pk & With all good wishes, I em gH. if _ Le i; [3 iw \ October oS, 19396 Mrs John Carlson, Kensas City Terminal Building, Kansas City, Mos ; P Sw =) . | lem just making a progress report to yous I hold no pique toward anyone, but I wanted you to Imow that Principal Welleneyer brought the coshhes around Saturday to say helloe In our half hour conference there was no effort by anyone in the group to discuss the fact thet Kansas boys should attend Kenses institutionse In fact, Mr. Ellis ws entirely noncommital and seemed rather bored with his visit. Director of Physical Education and Recreation, — Very sincerely yours, Varsity Basketball Coache i: aE i they ha: great job line and Gray a ee ee eas good wishes, I an PCAs AH yo~ #4 ~ 17937 Mir. Forrest C Allen | RoBdorf,Kreis Darmstadt Director of Physical Education Theo Clausen c/o Seibert University of Kansas My dear Mr. Allen, As "Fachlehrer"for Basketball in the "Deutscher Reichsbund fur Leibesiibungen",and as a former exchange-student at Springfield College ,Springfield,Mass. I'm taking very much interest in your book “Better Basketball". I recently bought your book from an American Student who is studying at the bieeeekity of hkitinchen. The longer I'm working with your book the more I like it. I see that you know lir. Fritz Siewecke. who also studied at Spring= field College, and who is a good friend of mine.You also mention Dr. Carl Diem who now is leading the Olympic Institute at Berlin. By his help I received The exchange scholarship at Springfield College. I'm sure that the best literature in Basketball exists in your country, and I would appreciate it very much if youpould assist me in getting some materialpbout the history,the coaching, thefefereing ,etc of the game. I‘ m anxious to have your book "ly Basketball Bible",which is men= tioned in "Better Basketball". If you need ie information about Basketball in my country,I will gladly give it to you. At the present time I-m travelling all over the country to spread this game.In 1936 there were about ten teams in this country. By now we have already 450 teams. At the"Turn und Sport= fest" ah Breslau we had a great German conferrence. We had 40 teams from all over the country taking part in it.On four courts they played for about a weak to find out the champion: "Heeres= sportschule Wiinsdorf". Next year we'll start our first national Turnament. ABs Germany wich is divided into 18"Gaue"will allow all "Gaue" to take part in it if they have at least ten teams in their vincinity. First. the "Gaumeister " is found out then the "Gaugruppenmeister" (champion of about eee "Gaue") and finally there will be a big conferrence where the "Gaugruppenmeister" get together to find out the German ch@mpion. This Fall at the "Ntirnberger Parteitag" Basketball was played the first time at the"Niigenberger Kampfspielet In a few days I'.11 be at Berlin where Engand,Lithuania,France, Ibally and Germany will have a European international Turnament. Hoping to keep in contact with you and appreciating any help or advice from you I'm sincerely your's ae October 14th Theo Clausen c/o Seibert L958 RoBdorf Kreis Darmstadt September 25, 1939» It was good to see you iast evening and have - @ tale with you and your lovely wifes I enjoyed talking with her because she is like the Aggies = they are for you except when we play their hane schools . With best wishes, I an . Director of Physical. Education and Ipientamsiad PCAs AH Varsity Baahetbal2 Coaches Dear Charles: lite Be Be DeGroot, Jre, an alamms of Stanford University, and a manber of Phi Delta Theta at Stene ford, is a new member of our Department of Physical 2 thought the boys would want to know about lire DeGroot and extend a welcane to hime Very sincerely yours, . Director of Education and Recreation, FCAsAl Varsity Coaches &, 2 te cone good Sones trouble self= S, being a 3 , Teall in the hoping - him, whieh your dad and Recreation, ee t yn et fee Gt a wit | iit a Bo Hig avhad Gytkea Ye Ha jy ut Hib i é 2 Ta’ aids 4 ; UNITED STATES | DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR OFFICE OF INDIAN AFFAIRS FIELD SERVICE Haskell Institute Lawrence, Kansas September 7, 1939 Dre Forrest C, Allen Director of Physical Education and Recreation University of Kansas Lawrence, Kansas Dear Dr. Allen; We are definitely planning on your acting as umpire in our football game to be played Friday, October 6, 2:30 P.M. We also plan on your acting as umpire in our game on November 3, This will probably be a night game and will start at 7:45 P.M. We will be able to pay a fee of $15.00 for each of these games, paid by Government Voucher. Sincerely yours, JFC:ebp Fe Carmody 4, cc-Mr. Powless Director of Athletics Mr. Spaulding Approved; Ge Warren Spaulding Acting Superintendent \ September 6, 19396 i hope you will be available to work some of our basketball gemes this winter. I will get in touch with you later as to the dates. Director of Physical Edueation and Recreation, FCAsAH Varsity Basketball Coache Tuesday afternoone " Mrs Carmody of Haskell called by phone this afternoon to ask if you could referee in two football gemes at Haskell; October 6 (afternoon) November 3 (afternoon or night) I told him you would call or write hime PRESBYTERIAN THEOLOGICAL SEMINARY 826 BELDEN AVENUE CHICAGO OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT August ais 1939 Dear Professor Allen: Thank you for taking time to acknowledge my letter of May 15th about the cottage in Estes Park, Colorado. If some future season you would care to consider it, I would appreciate your writing me early in the Spring. ‘/ Cordially, Professor Forrest C. Allen elie University of Kansas Lawrence, Kansas UNITED STATES : DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR OFFICE OF INDIAN AFFAIRS FIELD SERVICE Haskell Institute Lawrence, Kansas - August 18, 1939 Mr. Forrest C. Allen, Director of Physical Hducation University of Kansas Lawrence, Kansas Dear Mr. Allen; Thank you very mich for your letter of August 12 re- lative to Mr. Dave Shirk. It is quite possible that we may be able to use Dave this fall; however, we cannot defi- nitely make these arrangements at the present time. We are hoping and trying to get a regular full-time teacher of physical education, and this selection must be made from the Civil Service Register. If we get this teacher, Mr. Powless will then serve as our assistent and we would not need Mr. Shirk; but if we are unable to get the full-time man, we would move Mr. Powless into that position on a temporary basis and would need the services of another man. It is necessary for us to mark time until the beginning of school before we could consider contacting Mr. Shirk. If, however, it becomes necessary for us to hire a man from the outside, we will give Mr. Shirk our most serious consideration. Thanking you for your continued interest in Haskell In- stitute and wishing you much success, I remain, fi > s, saumae, John JFC:gl /Boys' Adyiser Approved: « Warren ing, Acting Supe tendent CONVERSE RUBBER COMPANY Manufacturers of Rubber Products a MALDEN, MASSACHUSETTS, U.S.A: August 15, 1959 Mr. Forrest C. Allen University of Kansas Lawrence, Kansas Dear Mr. Allen: Thanks for your letter of August 12th, and can appre- ciate that you have had a very busy season. You have cooperated with us in the past, and we know you would have helped us out if there was any way it could have been accomplished. As it turned out, we have enough articles for this year's edition that will make the Yearbook one which we feel will be of interest to everybody. Kindly let us know how many copies you would like to receive when it is ready, and we will be pleased to send them along. Thanking you for your help in the past, we are Very truly yours, CONVERSE RUBBER COMPANY WRL:MAD KE MKake GEORGE C. LOWE, PRESIDENT ARNO F. HEINRICH,V.P.& FACY. SUPT. LOREN V.BROWN, SALES MANAGER O.KEEDY CAMPBELL,V.P.& GEN.MGR. R.C. CAMPBELL, VicE PRESIDENT REED G.GENTRY, GENERAL AUDITOR LES R.FREEBURG, Vice PRES.& TREAS KARL H. ROYER, MOSE. MANAGER KEITH W.DANCY, CREDIT MANAGER a C5 ici Own & CAMPBEM, ATHLETE GOR? GS ee == = CHARLOTTE,N.C. BOSTON, MASS. DALLAS, TEXAS CHICAGO, [LL. ST. PAUL, MINN. oT. CLOUre; Mo, DETROIT, MICH. OENVER;, COLO. KANSAS CITY,MO. MINNEAPOLIS,MINN. CINCINNATI, OHIO PHILADELPHIA,PA. PITTSBURGH, PA. WASHINGTON,D.C. KANSAS CITY,KANS. CLEVELAND, OHIO DES MOINES, |1OWA WORCESTER,MASS. WHOLESALE 1509 -/1-/32 BALTIMORE AVE., Aaw sss; Crazy Meo», January 31, 1940 Dre F. C. Allen University of Kansas Lawrence, Kansas My dear Phog: I am home again for a few days but will be off again Saturday for another week of traveling. In fact, that's about all I do these days.. Free showed me the letter from you concerning your game, Goal'Hi, and I see he has already answered it exactly as I would had I been here. I presume you are going to see to it that someone gets to Karl Royer before long with this proposition. This note, though, is to especially thank you for taking care of Dorothy Jean and her trouble. I have a sacra-iliac hip myself that is none too good and I am wondering whether hers is the least bit serious. Would surely like to hear from you. She wrote her mother and me about it and I was glad that she eame to you. She said that she afterwards went to another doctor you recommended. I think she said his name was Dr. Bice and he said that he knew me in the basket ball days and that he had played in games where I refereed. His name is familiar but I don't quite place him. At your convenience, though, I would like to hear from you and to know whether you think this trouble she has is anything that should be watched carefully or if it might prove troublesome in the future. Very truly, DKC: AM Pebruary 3, 1920. lite De Keedy Canpbell, Lowe é Cempbell Athletic Goods Coe, 1509 baltimore Avenue, Kansas City, Missourl.s Dear Keedys I ¢alled Dre Bice regarding Dorothy Jean and he treated her but once for ® sacro~iliec subluxation, if you know what I mean, and he said thet he had heard no more from her, so I take 4% that she is getting along vory nicely. | I was glad to do what I could for Dorothy Jean because I considered it a nice opportumity to have a visit with a part, and must issay the better part, of the Campbell femilye At least, I think that each succeeding generation is improvinge Te had a fine visit and I was glad that she dropped in for a Little aid that I sould renders Yes, I renember your sacromiliee difficultiess I would say hers is not at all serious. Tes Le Be Bice was the osteopathic physician. le is a graduate of lays Teachers College where he played football and basketball, then coached at Salina and then at lolton. Later he want to Still College at Des Moines, where he played foot- pall and basketball. I refereed a good many games when he I was glad to get the letter fran "Fre", but + presumed that the Medart people had called upon youe Certainly Royer, or "Fre", or you can't be expected to go out in the marts and for stuff; it is up to 2 fellow to call on you when he = to sell anything. I assure you I have already written to the Medart people and they promised me that you will hear from then in e very negr future. I would be happy for you to tell Karl and "Fre" what I have dones altitude the apparntus is adjusted immediately, and it fits theme So there is a game for everybody. Then I have rules \dapted for crippled children or for people whose locomotion is not so goods It is a three-segment proposition in which lines in the circle do not permit the over-crowling on the other area, and yet the teams have all the thrill that — caapetitive teams have shuttling back and forth on the court. Keedy, you can see the advantage of this game with ine expert players because the goal is the focus of all the shots - , and the ball seldom goes out of bounds. I think you can teach (Gli the fundamentals, sereens, both offensive and defensive, without wearing the youngster down and without danger of then creating so many skill faults due to the non-necessity of reubling all over the floor in such haste, I will be seeing yous. Very sincerely yours, Rirector of Physical nducation and Recreation, PCA 2AH Varsity Basketball Coach, : February 6, 1940. I have just received a letter from Bert Itoga, whose ae oe ee ee te Oe 3 I was asked to find out about Glenn Cumningham ~ whether he will accept an invitation to perform in Hmolulu for two meets = May 11 and May 18 = expenses paid by either the A.A.U. or by AeSeUelle (imiversity of liawaii-). Ralph Olson is writing to various top- notch track candidates to perform in Hawaiie I believe tw out- standing rumers will be selected. The purpose is to stimulate more interest in track." : With all good wishes, I am Very sincerely yours, Director of Physical Edueation and Recreation, POA sAli Varsity Basketball Coaches February 6, 1940. Secretary, Teachers College, Columbia University, New York City, NeYe Dear Sizs Will you Kindly send me informetion concerning the degree Doctor of Education, and the work being» offered tawmrd that degree this sumer? James He Mport, Instructor in Physical Education. February 9, 1940. Ree Glenn Cumninghen, 2270 Valton Avenue, New York, Ne Ye Deaxy Glem-s I en in rather a trensitory stage the same as you ave at present, I have great ambitions for this depart- nent, but like all Kensas people, I have more ambition future. And when you return to Kensas after your winter ruming schedule, I would be happy to have you plan in. your itinerary to stop off here in Lawrence so that we may discuss things in a very personal mamer’s then I cen writing to him. If this is quite agreeable will when you will be back in this part of Mre Fenske will see a pair of heels that he has often looked at before. Here's hoping that this fect materializes in very near future. We are all pulling for meny yearss 2 2 : & & Hl ge With all good wishes, I an Very sincerely yours, Director of Physical Edueation and Necreations DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WELFARE THE UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS BUREAU OF GENERAL INFORMATION UNIVERSITY EXTENSION DIVISION DEPARTMENT OF EXTENSION TEACHING BUREAU OF SCHOOL SERVICE AND RESEARCH LAWRENCE i BUREAU OF CLASS INSTRUCTION LECTURE COURSE BUREAU BUREAU OF CORRESPONDENCE STUDY BUREAU OF VISUAL INSTRUCTION ( j c a 2 5 7 ( Ia ‘the a .f 9 en * 2 Nad a ° vad a‘ me eee ca e \ 74 ~ 4 = 4 rn i ; i ' ban ol ~ = = ? > 4 $ . . + — - pa ‘ i. si = 3 } - oS , a eh $ ae " = o a ‘ ’ = m c i “ i. Uy e ® 4 pe — f ra i Pe O b 2 ‘ \ i i . e - - - 4 i } " € i f - a i 6 , = om ae a ai ¢ f a : 2 - G — a “1 ® 5 a ona is : = “ : a x . > f U aa ' ° 3 - < = a - ail ey e ‘a . DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WELFARE THE UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS BUREAU OF GENERAL INFORMATION UNIVERSITY EXTENSION DIVISION DEPARTMENT OF EXTENSION TEACHING BUREAU OF SCHOOL SERVICE AND RESEARCH BUREAU OF CLASS INSTRUCTION LECTURE COURSE BUREAU LAWRENCE BUREAU OF CORRESPONDENCE STUDY BUREAU OF VISUAL INSTRUCTION f ] be W Fo 1 4 17 de ~ - 3 . . belie - ] 6 € a , Ke z 6 of weet 7 ee . ~ 2 ® e ake Jenuary 24, 1940. Dre Glenn Cx o/o We We Gunble, 5? Vernon Street, Springfield, Masse Deas Glems I heard of your sports broadcast and read in the peper the amouncenent of your retirement from track. The report stated that you were desirous of teaching in some middle western university after your retirenents i am wondering if you would be interested in coming to the University of Kansas in the Department of Physical Educatione Will you kindly state your minimm salary and desires, because if this is at all possible I unhesitatingly want you for our departnent. I want to congratulate you on the splendid showing thet you have been making this winters Your bowndless @ergy and your adherence to training rules are just too much for most of the young men who have not paid the price thet you have in your training programe May you and yours have the best for this year, 1940, end for the years to came With okt good wishes, I om Sincerely yours, Director of Physical Education and Recreation, PCA sAH Varsity Basketball Coaches February 6, 1940. I will be glad to hear from you eat your early con- Venicncee Very sincerely yours, Director of Physical Education and Recreation, Ene February 9, 1920. Secretary, The Alumi Council, The University of Chicago, Mllis Avexue at E8th Ste, Chicago, Dlinoise Dear Sizes Uy attention has been called to your resent publication, “CONCERNING POOTPALL", containing a re- print of the article by lire Jolm Re Tumis, "what Pries College Football”, ond the address by i. Robert ie Hutehins on “Footwell and College Life". I would greatly appreaiate it 2f you would be idimd enough to send me a copy of this publication. Very simerely yours, ‘Director of Physical Education and Recreation, FOAsAH - Varsity. Basketball Coache ‘Tite Harold ae. —— Sports Edi The Associated Press, " Star Building, Kansas City, Missouri sca antennal late eens uaa nisl é re Aerie lta gue reeorl nagar adhere ocean angg nl at 10:50 aeme I said, "Well, this met bd mental suai thea 1 au sap Ue madeline © uke ad CG uk ek Cha a eee { galled Horace theon an asied for coy of the article: that he had mailed out. I asked him if he had quoted me as saying — that Oklahoma would defeat Olklahaun ve & Me in the Fifth District ; torious after a thrilling combat. I asked Horace for a news release oe ‘the office, so I am mailing it to , Today I have written Henry Tha denying that I ma » and I wish thet you correct it in some of your tween the Miseourt Valley and the Mg six for the Fifth Dietrict eter wales ius shel ntroxloualy mig Sn tetinn Stlay Sal ian Ws eee ial el sa elds aia, waa soe not trying to lead Bruce Drake's canaries into the feline's cages The statenent that I mde was to the effect that olleaham has a pcr yoensinng, Se yc-yryaer umpteen gala peans lll whe heigl end power in their make-up. Only Missouri can match then in ages With this advantage for OkJahana, and with the Seoners playing on their home court, in my opinion, it is too much of a task for any of the challengers to the Sooners. With Missouri and Kansas play- ing four games away from home, and one of those four gemes for each t ok. 2 J g, ; 4 aa os oy atu i i os g a fagta i Hh ohoge ATL Bd pe Biel fp, i i aiba? < a? 2 3 dfasid fey de H if i pila we oe , Waa de apo WW By fj ase tad? 23 ; ; ai 2 i3 Fes | es “ge 8g Er "H oy Bel : see rE ashe 5 3 THE ASSOCIATED PRESS KANSAS CITY, MO. STAR BUILDING NOovemBEeR 29, 1939 De Fe Ge ALLEN HEAD BASKETBALL COACH UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS LAWRENCE, KANSAS DEAR DR. ALLEN: BOTH MR. MICKELSON, OUR PRESENT NEWS EDITOR HERE, AND | APPRECIATE GREATLY YOUR WRITING THE ARTICLE ABOUT DR. NAISMITH AND ABOUT BASKETBALL WHTCH WE CARRIED EARLY THIS WEEK AT THE DEATH OF THE SPORT'S INVENTOR, | AM SURE THE ENTIRE NAISMITH FAMILY SHARED OUR PRIDE IN YOUR EULOGY, : THE STORY RECEIVED A TREMENDOUS "PLAY." | AM ENCLOSING A PAGE OF THE OKLAHOMA CITY TIMES WHICH USED YOUR ARTICLE. | ENCOUNTERED IT IN VIRTUALLY EVERY PAPER TO REACH MY DESK TODAY. |F THE ASSOCIATED PRESS CAN EVER BE OF SERVICE TO YOU, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CALL ON US. AND IF |, PERSONALLY, CAN EVER AID YOU IN ANYWAY | “WOULD APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY OF DOING SO, SINCEREL HAROLD CLAASSEN _ es REGIONAL SPORTS EDITOR Naismith Helped Football, Too, for Use Of the Pass, Which Led to a Wide-Open Style, Was Borrowed From Cage Sport (Editors: Dr. F. C. Allen, Kansas university basketball coach worked many years with Dr. James Naismith, “father of basket ball,’ who died Tuesday. He wrote this statement regarding Doc tor Naismith for The Associated Press.) — _ By DR. F. C. ALLEN LAWRENCE, Kan., Nov. 28.—(®)—The youth of the world ha lost a great benefactor in Dr. James Naismith, the father of bas- ketball. Eighteen million young men all over the world are playing his game of basketball, which he originated for 18 trouble- some young men in a class at Springfield, Mass. Y. M. C. A. col- lege in 1891. e Dr. Naismith is directly responsible for all the large field houses, the large auditoria and gymnasia where basket~ pall is played today. Before this game was originated there were few large indoor arenas that were used for any Details of Doctor Naismith’s death will be found on page q; indoor sports. Dotting the middle | western states are highschool gym- 'nasia that are much larger in size that ‘the entire school buildings were 30 years ago. ; Dr. Naismith is indirectly responsible for the forward pass in football. Then Comes the Pass Until the popularity of basketball which began to spring up in the col- leges of America in 1905, the forward pass in football was not thought of. Then the football rules committee incorporated. the. forward pass. 9F. |. basketball pass in football, and im- mediately the open game became the element that spread the defense. Basketball has become footballized and football has become basketballized, The forward pass of today is a Nai- smith innovation. Today it is the most spectacular of all plays on our grid- irons, Frederick Froebel gave to the world the i se of the kindergarten—edu- cation through play. Doctor Naismith gave to the youth basketball, a game that takes the youngster from the eighth grade to maturity. He Left the Ministry I once heard eight nationally known educators speaking from the same platform declare that basketball had all the qualities necessary to teach the educable child: poise, rhythm, grace, co-ordination, development of skills and the development of physical vigor. The speakers were not competitive coaches nor were they athletes. This game, the only imternationai game that is the product of ohne man’s brain, stamps Doctor Naismith as a great educator, a kindly humanitarian and a practical Christian. He loved youth. He and Alonzo Stagg both working together, chose the profession of physical education over the ministry, in which they were ordained, because they could do more for youth, they thought. The youth of the world will arise and call Doctor Naismith blessed. Cubs Hope to Buy A Good Shortstop Yes, and an Outfielder Would Help, Too CHICAGO, Nov. 28—(#)—The Chi- cago Cubs hope ‘to transform their fourth place team of 1939 into a National league title contender at the winter baseball meeting at Cincinnati next week, _ Ses Gabby Hartnett’s crew needs most of all a ranking shortstop and fence- busting outfielder, but all efforts to uncover either since the season closed apparently have come to naught. 8 Dick Bartell bogged down at short- stop last season after several bril- liant campaigns with the New York Giants. The Cubs still have hopes of acquiring a tried and true major leaguer for this spot at Cincinnati, but failing this may make a deal for an infielder from one of the AA mi- nor league outfits. Only a few weeks ago Owner Phil Wrigley said the Cubs were not in- terested in buying high priced stars frem other clubs, but would endeavor to develop their own talent hence- forth. But reports persist that the Cubs are trying to get Enos Slaugh- ter, outfielder, and Don Padgett, catcher-outfielder from the St. Louis Cardinals. Sure, Connie Will Trade PHILADELPHIA, Nov. 28—(@&)— Connie Mavk of ime Atiicucs Will trade Outfielder Wally Moses for the “right man.” “I’m not crazy about trading Wally,” the lean veteran de- clared, “but outfielders are easier to get than infielders and I’d trade him if I liked the deal.” *