REL EEN GAREY i RTA DRI GS Be RT ii i baits eyieaa BE i i g ai mote tia Sengtint Sonshan teen tion fey 6 fore AMET EET % a THE UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO Offiee of Physieal Education ‘Li, COACHES . ito agit. ee a i Hf is Heth bs ’ 7283493 . | He tH sf 7 : 32) Be >. ¥ mn eee ae i : ibis ne He. Ue Sorgren A WESTERN N.C.A.A,. BASKETBALL TOURNAMENT Mereh 10, 1942 TO COACHES OF COMPETING TEAMS: i, The p ffs will be held at the Municipal Auditorium in Kanagas at ® ae on Friday and Saturday March 20 and 21. Theres will be two yale night the first starting at 8 o'elock with a suiteble warmeup period between games. Il. Drewings for opponents will be held WEDNESDAY; March 18, under supervision of the tournament manager. The end order of play will be announced early that afternoon. iii, Tournament headquarters will be at Hotel President, corner and Baltimore, This hotel is two short blocks from the \torium and served the teams in the tournament last year. the President aa "per.person for tro to a roon nih twin conpetitore: r person for two to a room with twin beds or cod Bagh agent for two to a room with double begs snd baths $1.50 per pers sag PR lean Sem querters, but coaches will find it difficult to equal these prices and facilities. Make reservations and arrangements direct with the hotel management of your choice. IV. Game sion prices for each night will be: | 1.65 for boxes and lodges, ) 1.10 for arena balcony, Prices quoted inelude -60 for upper balcony. all texes. | V. Members of each official party will each receive a competitor's pase and two arene balcony seats for each session. | VI, FINANCIAL DETAILS: 1. The manager of esch team should provide himself with enough to meet all of his squad's expenses to and from the play- e* total trip costs. | 2, Schools are limited to e traveling party of fourteen. 3. The N.C.AsA. will refund es immediately = 1 receipt of s tatement from entnavssed, canned aut oritien. Payment w , r (a) rai fare, aaellt end ocal expenses ay tinggi ay Ry tarsing Tereday, MaveRl9 and ending | meet their own coste of lodging, meals, texi feres snd incidentals. Ae fhe net profits of the Eastern, Western, end a ee one ee will be divided between the %.0.A.A. and the e ome aoan the same besie ae last year. Details of the settiouent are published in the annual N.C.A.A. report, pps ei , » 50% is split among the schools with each receiving for each geme played. hs the achool from their district 4264 VII. PRACTICE SESC IONS: It is requested by the Generel Committee that teans not arrive in Kensas City earlier then Thursday, March 19. CGherges for locel expense allowance before Thursday will net be recognized. Unless the hall is leased to others on that day the mn eS ss, pocaible, tenas will be. ass aetaen aie As nes sible teams w astigned to one, but ; ' ioe Vpentiiste occur the imit the length of the session or assign two two teams | court for ian 'te sane afin Boy iiake reservations as soon as _ VIII. OFFICIALS. (Game) The Selection Committee in each district will name the officislx from that trict. All game officials will operate | erv see tesieomess, commissioner of the Missouri : Tae | parvener Sele ervenge a pret conehes end officials for disquseion of rules and and " sateils of game sdministretion. — I" fron their dietriet ir Not partiespel aoe NOT participa Ix. BACKSTOPS The court ie equipped with 6 x 4 clear ease backe tops. X GAME UNIFORMS mm teen, sens We two sete of wniforms one of which is white. | te w draw before each game to assure contrasts between | ing outfits. XI. GAME BALLS one Sone ot ene Cmidituniea -. ‘The eoaches are requested to decide this question. Immedia ly upon rece. ) Gire to the maneger your FIRST and SZCOND ehoice of type of ball; ond FIRST and SECOND eholee of manufact- urer. Be ae he ball receiving the majority votes will be used throughout the play-off. You will be notified as soon as all votes are east. George R. Edwards, tournament manager Rothwell Gymmasium, i. University of ane Golumbia, Mo. (after Mareh 17 address communicetion to Hotel President, 14th and Baltimore, Kansas City>» mo.) UNIVERSITY OF MISSOURI COLUMBIA March 10, 1942, INTERCOLLEGIATE ATHLETICS De. F. C.. Allen, Lawrence, Kan. Mr. Henry Iba, Stillwater, Okla. Gentlemen: The manager of Municipal Auditorium was con-= tacted this morning as soon as I received notice of the results of yesterday's negotiations. He was told to deal direct with you two men. I'll be in Kansas City on the day of your game and will be glad to assist you in any way your desire. I don't know just what I can do but am at your service. The same is true of Mark Cox, Missouri's athletic publicity director who also will handle press and radio relations for the N.C.A.A. One of you will be in the Western N.C.A.A. games, and I am attaching some information sheets which cover most of the questions you might ask. The court may be equipped with either 6 x 4 wood backstops or with clear plate glass. The N.C.A.A. will make use of the gaass backstops. You should inform the management which kind you want for without instructions they probably will install the wooden ones. Here is wishing that both of your teams are in top form. Yours truly, George R dwards. March 14, 1942. Mire George Edwards, University of Missouri, Columbia, Missouri. I am sending you a copy of my letter to John Bunn as of April 25, 1940, also his reply to me dated April 30, and also Prof. W. B. Owens letter to him as of April 29 and H. %. Olsen‘s letter as pondence shows evidence enough that Olsen, Bunn and I met, with Olsen as chairman, and worked out a rate of distribution for the teams and for the N.0.A.A. And it was wholly Olsen's failure to transmit the action of our committee to the Executive Committee of the N.C.AA. for action. He hed a year to do this, and had he done it we would not now be in the predicament that we are in. 7 Olsen had represented to 3unn and to me that we could have this money earmarked not only for the Olympic fund but earmarled for I do not want to have you feel that I am vindictive in regard to Olsen's failure to carry through, but I do believe than And what makes it even more striking is that St. John, his is one of the high pttests in the N.C.A.A. Council, and Griffith and the president have the fate of the N.C.A.A. in the low of their hands. Therefore, I see no reason why he shouldn't the bur of this failure. [Ee rl You will notice in John Bunn's letter that he was under the impression that only the Big Ten and the Big Six had the idea that playing in Madison Square Garden was contrary to the spirit of things. The N.C.A.A., a8 Bunn says, had no objection to it. _ Avmed with the findings of our basketball committee I went to Oklahoma City and met with Henry Iba, Tom Stidham and Bruce Drake and sold them the idea of sticking with the .C.A.A. even though Madison Square Garden made more lucrative offers. And Iba is still eticking in the face of all that has gone before. ~2- It was necessary for me to met in Chicago with the Executive Committee of the N.C.A.A. in September, and both Olesn Griffith thet there was no chance to get the division that we are now sharing in. I told Olsen and 8t. Clair that I was going to tell the Exeoutive Committee exactly the true status of things and that we had represented to our N.C.A.A. group that they would share in part of this money, and if I had misrepresen the thing there was only one thing for ms to do, and that was to get outs and therefore, I was tendering my resignation. Neither Olsen nor St. Clair put up any sort of a scrap. The Executive Committee group then said, “Would you people be willing to wait outside until we can have a meeting, and call you in?” The plan that we are now operating on was ac precipitated by the very strenuous objection that I made. I mde the charge that it was unfair end not in keeping with what our committee had been led to believe was something the N.C.A.A. would go along with. Although I did not say it then, I felt as if I heave had some workable plan and it would not have been necessary to cause this unpleasant situation. I am giving you this for what it is werth to you. Any statement that I make can be backed up by correspondence with John Bunn. | Sincerely yours, Director of Physical Education and Recreation, FCA:AE Varsity Basketball and Baseball Coach. Ence COPY STANFORD UNIVERSITY April 30, 1940 Dr. Forrest ©, Allen University of Kansaz Lewrence, Kansas Dear "Doe": This will acknowledge your letter of April 25. The recommendation of our Tournament Committee with respect to the division of receipts from our NCAA tournament and the disposition of the money which would go te the NCAA is still very clear in my mind, The letter which Olsen sent to each of the district chairmen this season contained a part of this recommendation. Since receiving your letter I have taken occasion to discuss in detail this whole ~matter with Bill Owens and also to go over carefully the executive regulations of the NCAA. I find that the regulations of our Committee are in conflict with the regula- tions of the Executive Committee of the NCAA in these particulars: 1, Funds may not be earmarked for any specifie sport. Boxing, in the past, has requested the same arrangement as contained in our recommendation to the Executive Committee. 2. No sume from the income of tournaments or meets may be allocated to the Olympic fund, except as the Olympic Fund Committee with the approval of the Executive Committee may direct. 5. Funds may not be pro-rated to competing teams except for actual expenses. 4, All funds are supposed to be deposited in the general fund of the NCAA without any restric- tions or reservations placed on then. In view of the above, I can see how the Executive Committee did oppose our recommend- ation. It is my guess that our recommendation, unfortunately, has never been submitted to the Executive Committee. This, of course, is a weakness on our part and leaves us open for criticism. It was my impression that our Basketball Rules Committee was given a full report by the Tournament Committee and that they approved the repert. However, I have been unable to find any minutes substentiating this recollection. Since we have sent out information to the schools in the NCAA, and particularly to these which have competed in the tournaments, I feel that we will be placed in an em- barrassing position if the NCAA Executive Committee does not permit us to keep faith with these schools, in spite of our negligence. It would be my opinion that unless the schools concerned would recognize our error and agree to abide by the regular NCAA rules, we should make a disposition of our funds for this year in accordance with the recommendations which were drawn up by our Tournament Committee, and that hereafter the whole matter should be clmred through the NCAA Executive Committee. Bill Owens, while pointoug out the NCAA regulations, maintains an open mind with res- pect to the whole mtter and is eager to have represenkktives from the Basketball Committee present their case at the next meeting of the Executive Committee. It seems to me that this is a very fair procedure, and I suggest that it be carried through in accordance with Bill Owens' recommendation. You may recall that I was not in favor of the pro-rating of moneys to the compe ting schools over and above their expenses, but that I agreed to the recommendation in view of the fact that we were attempting to offset the influence of the Madison Square Garden and the Liston tournaments. It was our feeling that when we had defeated these two projects, then we could make other adjustments of our finances. I still hold this opinion. ; Dr. Allen: #2 Now with reference to Kansas’ competing in Madison Square Garden. You know, of course, that I have never concurred with your views or those of the Big Six Conference on the matter of competition off of the campus of one of the competing universities, Madison Square Garden represents the only place that many of the schools in New York ean play. Regardless of the money angle, so long as expenses can be paid and so long as the games are conducted on a high plane, then I can't see howanyone could object to such competition. My Stanford team received much better treatment in Madison Square ; Garden than it did in several other places where we competed, The NCAA has no objection to this type of competition, As a matter of fact, Bill Owens told me recently that, in view of the fact that Madison Square Garden represents the home court of those New York teams, he could see no objection to playing there. I know that the members of the Eastern Intercollegiate frown upon this competition and that they refuse to take their om teams into the Garden. This is because they have their ow courts and also because they look askance at the personnel of some of the teams in New York City. It is rather interesting to note, however, that some of the Eastern Intercollegiate teams have played in public halls. I have a feeling, therefore, that there is a bit of jealousy and aloofness behind their reasoning. Cordially yours, (Signed) JOHNBUNN | Dean of Men. Stanford University, California. April 29, 1940. Dr. Forrest C. Allen, Chairman Research Committee, National Basketball Committee, University of Kansas, Lewrence, Kansas Dear Dr. Allen: I was very much interested in your letter of April 24 and the report enclosed. I think the more such studies that can be made the better, and I believe that one of the finest things the NCAA can do, as soon as it is financially ina position te do so, is to encourage and support research of this sort. Such studies should be given as wide circulation aw possible, and perhaps the chief function of the NCAA in connection with such matters, would be to serve as a clearing house for the dissemination of such studies and to give financial support to them where possible, In other words, we do not wish to supplant the work already being effectively done by other organizations, such as the Basketball Rules Committee is conducting, or as the Coaches Associations may want to undertake. There might be, for exemple, some- thing in a study made by the Football Coaches, which would contribute a good deal to the basketball situation. Properly coordinated the work of the various groups could be made available to all the others. 7 These are simply ideas for discussion and consideration. The suggestion that representatives of the Basketball Committee meet with the Executive Committee for discussion of some of our problems has met a fine response from the Executive Committee. I do not know as yet when our nest meeting will be, but I will keep this mtter in mind end see that the suggestion is carried out in the near future. I appreciate your ktter very much and am fully aware that the coaches, through their associations, are doing excellent work in solving the problems commected with their games. Sincerely yours, (Signed) W. B. OWENS resident. April 26, 1940 Dr. Forrest C. Allen University of Kansas Lawrence, Kansas Dear Phog: Sorry I failed to enswer your query as to how the Eastern play-off came out. I just recently. received a report from Paul Hinkle. This shows that the Eastern play-off will net about $1200, after teking out, of course, all expenses for rental, etc. I1 settled with Butler on the basis of 10% of the gross. Very sincerely yours, (Signed) "OLE" H. G. Olsen, Toutnament Committee. COPY April 25, 1940 Mr. John Bunn, Dean of Men, Stanford University, California. Dear John: We are still paying bills and settling up loose ends of accounts in connection with the Kansas City tournament, and I have been so crowded for time that I have bem unable to write you sooner. A couple of weeks ago I sent Ole a check for $5,000, and while he was here I gave him a check for $250. So that makes a total of $5,250 to Olsen. My idea was that wé should give the N.C.A.A. perhaps $7,500. You will recall, Johnny, that Ole told you that this money could be earmarked for basketball. When President Bill Owens came to Kansas City, together with Mr. May of Washington, we were told that this money could not be earmarked for basketball. Ole said, "Well, that is news to me.” You remember right after the Olympics the N.C.A.A. committee had an agreement with the A.A.U. wherein they agreed that if the A.A.U. would permit them to have the college coaches for track and field, crew, swimming and wrestling, the A.A.U. would have the coaches of the other sports. That means that they sold basketball dom the river just after we got in the Olympic Games, and of course this was done to benefit the N.C.A.A. in these four above-mentioned sports. Wow, when basketball comes along and makes some money, and plenty of it, the officers state that this money cannot be earmarked for basketball. President Owens let it be known that the N.C.A.A. expected to take all the profit and that it was rather an unusual request to think that the colleges would get any of the money. I stood up and battled it up one side and down the other. Naturally Ole in his position, could not do much. Edmundson, St. Clair, Olsen, May, Owens and I were in the conference. Of course, I drew some fire. Now we are in a bad spot because the N.C.A.A. wanta all of the money. President especially said that we have Ned Irish whipped, and I sdd, “You just think you have got him whipped, because most of the college coaches in the country would resent the N.C.A.A. taking the money and letting the boys and the athletic assoc- iations of the schools interested play for expenses alone.” iihen we agreed that the N.C.A.A. get 20% of these tournaments we were just giving the N.C.A.A. something to start on. In my mind, the competing teams should certainly get a part of it. Confidentially, I told President Owens that I would go to Madison Square Garden where we could get the most money. And that is exactly why I am going to the Garden. I wanted you to know about this, and I would like for you to write me in confidence what your reactions are. I thought that in the eastern division play-off they should take their money and cut it four ways for the four competing teams, and in our western play-off we should divide the profits four ways among the competing teams, after deducting a sizeable sum for the N.C.A.A, and then for the final play-off we could still have a larger cut for the two competing teams, with the N.C.A.A. getting their cut. What Ole proposed was to take the ten teams, the four eastern and the four western, and the tw finalists, and give the N.C.A.A. quite a sum and then cut the remainder ten ways. Frankly, I ~2= don't think they made much money at Indianapolis, and it looks to me as if we again are the angels. This whole mtter hasn't been decided yet, and at our conference with President Owens, Mr. May and the rest of the group, we didn't get anywhere. I shall be glad to have your confidential reactions te the whole situation. Very cordially yours, : : Director of Physica Education ané Recreation, FCA:AH Varsity Basketball Coach. ‘March 14, 1942. Mrs Goorge Edwards, University of Missouri, Columbia, Mo. - Dear George: I notice in you letter of March 10th that ee ee ee I am rather surprised at that because the glass back stops are illegal, even though they do give greater visibility. When they are used in a tournament I think the Rules Committee should either legalige them, or not permit them in N.C.A.A. play. ka fas on Semin in cotmanel, wa vt 1l use en want to. do likewise. I wish also to aclmowledge reed pt of your wire of the 12th stating that the Wilson laceless ball will be used as voted by a majority of the coaches. Very sincerely yours, Directer of Physical Education and Recreation, PCA:AH Varsity Basketball and Baseball Coache ¢ « “ \ \ ) 1010? 3 ? ee, E S E RN Pay This is a full-rate ew DL=Day Letter ~ | Telegram or Cable- Se Nba @hemisis Tecan: gra unless its de- (3 9) . ie eile seo is ce ; t LC=Deferred Cable icated by a suitable symbol above or pre- NLT =Cable Night Letter ceding the address. R. B. WHITE . NEWCOMB CARLTON J. SC. WILLEVER a Ship Radiogram /- PRESIDENT CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD FIRST VICE-PRESIDENT . The filing time shown in the date line on telegrams and day letters is STANDARD TIME at point of origin. Time of receipt is STANDARD a Ee ete of pe jod2 MAR \2 KAW51 10=COLUMBIA MO 12 1212P FORREST C ALLEN= COACH OF BASKETBALL UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS KR= WILL USE WILSON LACELESS AS VOTED BY MAJORITY OF COACHES= GEORGE R EDWARDS. THE COMPANY WILL APPRECIATE SUGGESTIONS FROM ITS PATRONS CONCERNING ITS SERVICE . \ : ¥ eine \ F S | E RN a eS This is 4. fillrace ee Ver eee Telegr ram or Cable- NT=Overnight Telegram ram unless its de- erred character is in- ( 3 a ds LC =Deferred Cable dicated by a suitable » symbol above or pre- NLT =Cable Night Letter ceding the address. NEWCOMB CARLTON J. C. WILLEVER Ship Radiogram CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD FIRST VICE-PRESIDENT a oes The filing time shown in the date line on telegrams and day letters is STANDARD TIME at point of origin. Time of receipt is STANDARD TIME at point of destination — KAVE2 332 COLUMBIA MO 11 317P OA MAR [| Pi 4 33 DR F C ALLENS COACH OF BASKETBALL=UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS ‘HOLDING POLL FOR PREFERENCE OF BALL FOR NeCsAeAs GAMESs WIRE IMMEDIATELY YOUR FIRST AND SECOND CHOICES GIVING TYPE AND MAKERS. MAJORITY VOTE WILL DETERMINE SELECTION WILL WIRE YOU RESULT AS SOON AS KNOWN= GEORGE R -EDWARDSa THE COMPANY WILL APPRECIATE SUGGESTIONS FROM ITS PATRONS CONCERNING 2 Mr.. George Edwards --_ Dear George: I am writing you concerning your letter addressed to Mr. Gwinn Henry, Director of Athletics at the University of Kansas, as of April. 5, 1942. I had had no conversation with Mr. Henry re- | garding the N.C.A.A. Western play-offs in Kansas City, and any letter that he wrote you could not have been tinctured or influenced by any- thing I had to say to him because of this situation. I think what Mr. Henry referred to in his letter, which “is marked in quotations in your\letter, were tickets for the Athletic Board, the Chancellor, and officers of the Athletic Association here at the University. I am merely interpreting Mr. Henry's letter, not having discussed it with him at this date. I believe Mr. Henry refers to the officers of the Athletic Association and to those directly connected with the administration. If you imply that the manager of the games was discourteous to Kansas, that is your own interpretation. We had twenty men in our party, eighteen players, the trainer (Dean Nesmith), and myself. I remember distinctly the state- ment that you made to the effect that you were giving 28 tickets, two a piece for 14 people, which you included as your maximum expense allowance party. Yousaid that of course you would be glad to give us additional tickets, but the management was trying to keep compli- mentaries to the minimm,. If you could not see the need for more than 28 tickets when we had twenty in our party, then it certainly would not be my part to ask you for extra tickets. The fact of the matter is that Ray Bvans, Bob Johnson, Paul Turner, Jack Ballard and Charlie Black are Greater Kansas City high school boys, and the other boys on the squad, with one exception, are boys living in this state with parents who naturally would desire to go to the games. The University of kansas has a freshman team that naturally would desire to see the varsity in action, and being in such close proximity to the game it takes no stretch of the imagination to see that either the Athletic Association would be forced to’ purchase tickets for them at full price or they would be denied the right to see the games. We had no unpleasantries over the ticket situation. It was emmr the glass backstop which caused the altercation. This was clearly a violation against the rules of the N.C.A.A. handbook, and when the coaches voted two for and two against you cast the majority vote, which I think was irregular. If you had asked the coaches to determine the type of backstop it was up to them to decide, especially when Commissioner Peters had stated that all rules would be decided with no interpretation, but would follow strictly to the letter the rules of the book. You will remember, George, you called my room at the Muehlebach Friday: morning and wanted to know when I could be down at the President. I was taking a shower and told Dean Nesmith, ny. trainer, to tell you I would be there in a half hour, thinking that was ample time. You called back and stated that one of the coaches was anxious to get started and you would phone the result. I immediately finished my bath, caught a taxi, and reported at the President in ten minutes. I waited in your room for ten or fifteen minutes awaiting Coach Cox and Coach Dean, who were at the coffee shop. Upon their return to your room you stated that the coaches’ vote was two to two, and you were casting the deciding ballot. i’ said, “There has been no FOUR: because I have just arrived, and these coaches ‘have just arrived.” But then you stated that I had expressed myself previously and Coach Dean wanted the regular backstop, but Coaches Cox and Brannon had voted for the glass. I thought this was entirely nonconventional, and I stated so. I said, "If you are handling things in that manner there is nothing more to dispucs®, and left the place. I would not have asked you for one extra ticket under any conditions. I did: resent it and I resent it now. I haven't changed one iota. fany of these boys wanted four or five tickets for their families and I figured they were entitled to them, but I would not have asked you for tickets for them because in my opinion you were failing to see the very obvious point that you made, = that the Kansas team was drawing quite a crowd, but you failed to be generous enough to give these boys the tickets for their efforts in drawing this crowd. They were not asking for tickets to sell or to make money from as so many of the star athletes do when they get extra tickets. But they were asking for them for their folks, and I was bent upon getting them because they were entitled to them. If you wanted to send me any tickets you could have sent them by messenger to the Hotel Muehlebach where we were FeBLetered. I do not recall ever having received word that arrangements had been made with the Auditorium Ticket Office for as many complimentaries as were needed for K.U. authorities. en See D ERE a aR a BERS SS ee 5 ree eee TTS a eR SREMMEE TS re cory United States itary fondeny ant. appreciate failing it Sid aie ese oe de ee 8 ERO me in sending (Signed) =—s_-VAL inelosures: 2 Questionnaires fi Aly i a Hi ult ai tt il, Eh ¥ H a eT S © - eC