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THE UNIVERSITY OF NEBRASKA
DEPARTMENT OF PHYSICAL EDUCATION
AND ATHLETICS

LINCOLN

June 6, 1940

Dre Forrest Ce Allen

Department of Physical Education
University of Kansas

Lawrence, Kansas

My dear Dre Allen:

Oux instructor in general practical Physical Education and
playground work has requested me to order a “"Goal-Hi" standard
as he wishes to include this in his programe I have ordered the
seme for hime I em writing you regarding this to let you know
that I think the price which the Medart Mompany charges for this
moveable and adjustable standard is a “damned holdup" and I be»
lieve you would be smart to try to get them to cut that price
about in half as I believe the price will generally be consi dered
en imposition and people will refuse to pay that amount. It is my
frenk opinion that that stendard could be made for five dollars
and, under present conditions, if I had inquiries coming to me
fram the schools in the state regarding this my recommendation to
them would be that they improvise a standard and save about twenty=
five dollarse From what little I know of the game it seems to me
that it should go over big as an addition to either an outdoor or
indoor recreative program but I do believe this price for goal is
going to pull down the sales tremendously. Of course you will
take my criticism for what you think it is worth but I felt that
I should let you kmow frenkly my reaction.

With kindest regards end wishing you a pleasant summer, I am

Very sincerely yours

Re Ge Clapp, MeCe

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RB WEINZEETEL
SALES PROMOTION MANAGER : June 10, 1940

Dr. Forrest C. Allen
University of Kansas
Lawrence, Kansas

Dear Phog:

It was good to receive your letter of June 7 after several weeks of no word

from you. After reading your reply to Dr. Clapp's comment, I think you be-

long in the Sales Department. You certainly did a good job, Phog, of sup-

porting our price structure, which is not out of line. I make that state-

ment with about six or eight months of Goal-Hi production under our belt and

I know now just where we stand. I am not going into a great deal of detail 3
in this connection as I think you have very adequately covered Dr. Clapp's
protest. He is very much mistaken in his statement that the cost of manufac~ me
ture alone (not including advertising, selling commission, overhead burden,

and the thousand and one things that must be taken into consideration), is

around $5.00. Actual cost is about twice that amount.

In any event, Phog, you may rest assured that I will not reply to his letter
until you hear further from him, and will then be governed by a desire to
pacify him without conceding that he is correct in his opinion.

I am glad to note the requisition for a price quotation from the University
of Kansas. Guy Crosnoe, who now heads up our Merchandising Division, will
fill in this requisition and return it immediately.

So much for business. I wonder if you will act as a tiessenger between Mrs.
Allen and me. Please tell her that I have a big stack of role desk

and right at the top of this stack is her nice personal letter, Shortly after
the Kansas City meeting. I have delayed acknowledging this idtter, intending
to do so on or about June 30, the end of the second quarter, when I believe
we will have an agreeable surprise for her — and you.

Returning to your letter for a minute, I note your suggestion that we turn
out a cheaper Goal-Hi standard, such as I mentioned to you previously. We
‘have this standard fairly well developed but do not see it as a school play—
ground device but, to the cmtrary, as something that department stores will
sell for use in back yards. We are not inclined to favor your suggestion of
producing this cheaper standard, even for the department store field. By
this I mean that we have questioned whether we would be wise in putting out
this low priced item for home use because we could not very well decline to
sell any one of our four hundred sporting goods dealers who have been lined
up since the first of the year, if we had this cheap item in our line, and,
as you know, there are always weak sisters in a sales organization that would co

 
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Lawrence, Kansas

ignore the heavy-duty equipment in preference to the light weight item
merely because of the difference in price, and frankly, Phog, the light
weight item would not be satisfactory for every day use in a school,

Be that as it may, we are planning to go to New York (E.J. Medart and I)
about the end of this month, and expect to go into this question of mer-
chandisire a junion Goal-Hi for home use with some of the large sales

outlets that solicit department store business in New York, at that time.

Regardless of what may develop, we would not attempt to market the cheaper
item through department stores until the next summer season,

Thought you might be interested in the foregoing because it will bring you
up to date and tell you that we have not gone to sleep on this possibility.

: Kindest personal regards.
Cordially yours,

FRED MEDART ACTURING CO.

 

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Is Goal-Hi played 16 (1) Boy 8073 (2) Girls(9;°°(3) Both Boys and Girls{)

In your estimation, does Goal-Hi appeal most to (1) BoysLJ; (2) Girls;

(3) Has equal appeal.

Are girls in your State forbidden to play regular basketball because of the
strenuous nature of that game? Yes[J; No[].

Do you play Goal-Hi as:

(1) A strictly formal game or sport, i.e., with 5 players on a team and
according to the Official Goal-Hi Rules[]; or

(2) As an informal play-game with large teams of any number of players
and with simplified rules({J.

If you play Goal-Hi as an informal play-game (rather than a formal sport) what
is the largest number of players, per team, that you have observed?

If you play Goal-Hi as:

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(1) A formal sport’; do you use (1) A referee
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20. What is your personal opinion of Goal-Hi?

Do different age groups use your Goal -Hi equipment?_____—« If so, do you
consider a height adjustment feature (that permits the basket to be raised
or lowered from 8' to 9' to 10',. an asset?

Have you laid out a playing field according to the diagram supplied you in
the Goal-Hi Rules Book? . If so, is it indoors{], or out-of-doors [1

Do you have any questions concerning the Goal-Hi Rules? If so, list them
below and we shall be glad to refer them to the originator of Goal-Hi, Dr.
Forrest C. "Phog" Allen, for an official ruling.

 

 

 

 

In your opinion, do you consider Goal-Hi a year-'round aid to teaching the
fundamentals of regular basketball to future basketball players?

Have you any pictures (snapshots) of Goal-Hi, being played in your community?
If so, we would greatly appreciate the privilege of seeing them
and guarantee safe and prompt return of same.

Have you any suggestions for variations in playing the game that would be of
interest to others? (We intend to acquaint the thousands of Goal-Hi Custom-
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Thank you again for your valued co-operation.

FRED MEDART MANUFACTURING CO.
St. Louis, Missouri

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UNIVERSITY OF NEBRASKA
Lincoln

June 103 19406

Dre Forrest Ce Allen

Director of Physical Education
University of Kansas

Lawrence, Kansas

My dear Dre Allen:

I thank you for your favor of June 7the

Feel free to use my letter in any way you see
fit. I think you know that I stand behind my convi cti ons
even though my position may not be a popular onee

I have read your letter carefully and with much
interest and perhaps I am all wrong in my feeling that
this price is out of all reason. I am not from Missouri
but still I want te be shown that I am wronge

With best wishes for the coming summer, I am

Sincerely yours,

(Signed) R. Ge Clapp, M.D.

 
 

 

 

June 14, 1940.

Mire Re Be Veinzettel,

Ste Louis, Missourie

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RE. WEINZETTEL

SALES PROMOTION MANAGER July ee, 1940

Dr. Forrest C. Allen eae.
University of Kansas
Lawrence, Kansas

Dear Phog:

We are in receipt of a letter from our Kansas representative, Thacher, Inc., ay
Topeka, Kansas, a copy of which I hand you in strict cmfidence. We think ie
you might be interested in that it concerns you personally and I believe you ae

will keep this information in the confidence that is indicated. ae

It so happens that we sent out to Denver, for a Coaching School at the Uni- 3
versity of Denver, a sample of the flat modified backboard and the new goal oe
necessary to use with the cut-away board, and I am going to try to get that 2 a

sample back to Topeka in time for the Kansas Coaching School. The Denver ae
School opens around August 1 and we may not be able to make it, but I am go- ee
ing to try to get this sample to Kansas.

For your information, Phog, and I know you will be glad to put a plug in for CARS ine
us over Schutt, the board that is now in Denver and which we hope to have in Whee
Topeka is made of wood. Jt is a hand-made board that was used here for cer- ee
tain factory problems. However, please note carefully that we are not goire | oe
to offer a wood board of the new shape but have gone to a very substantial ey
expense to have dies and machinery available to stamp out a one-piece steel
board that will be superior to anything we have ever offered. As a basketball
coach I believe you, as well as Porter and others with whom I have discussed
our plans for the new board, will agree that a steel board is superior to a
wood board in many ways, and if we can offer a steel board with the side
flanges part of the banking surface (no raw seams at the junction of the
flanges and the banking surface) at a price comparable to a first-class wood
board, we will certainly be doing something for the good of the game. That is
exactly what we are going to do, Phog, and I want to tip you off in advance so
you will know that Medart is about to break loose with some really sensational
news for the basketball world.

I note that Mr. Porter will be present during the Kansas meeting and no doubt
he will be interested in our sample as well as the new goal that we have de-
veloped. Certainly hope I can get that sample from Denver back to Topeka in
time for you to give us a little boost.

 

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426 Quincy Street
Topeka, Kansas .

July 20, 1940

Fred Medart Mfg. Co,
St. Louis, Mo.

Gentlemen:

 
 
 
 
 
  
 

Mr. E, A. Thomas se@retary for the High School Athletic Association,
has taken a parbicular liking to the Schutt Manufacturing Company on this
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Up until the recent announcement of the new backstop, we/were kept seutnes
much in the dark as to just what it was going to be and“as a consequence,
were unable to talk very intelligently on this subject. Since the announce-
ment, I have been to Mr. Thomas' office on several occasions; however, I have
not as yet been able to tall to him personally. Practically of this infor-
mation has been gathered on my visits to his office from the assistance, who,
of course, tells me more than Mr. Thomas has any idea that he does, in his
absence. I haven't as yet told this assistant my business and no doubt he
will be a bit surprised when he finds that I sell basketball backstops.

To culminate and bring to the point, this letter, I am wondering whether or
not it would be advisable for us to have on display a sample backstop _
the inspection of the Coaches and the conversion of Mr. Thomas, .

Let me have your ideas on this point.

Very truly yours,

THACHER, INC.

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