April 20, 1928. Mre Ae Asc Sehabinger, Secty., Nat'l Asstn of Basket Ball Coaches, Greighton University, Omaha, Nebraska. Dear "Schabie": I am enclosing herewith a copy of a letter which I have just written to Dan C. Root, Basket Ball Coach, Black Hills Teachers College, Spearfish, South Dakota. You will probably hear from Mr, Root shortly but, if not, I thought you might want to follow this upe I think a great deal of good was accomplished at our meeting in Vhicago. It seems to me we have a very happy outlook for the future. I hope you will be successful in enrolling lir. Root as one of our members. Whenever I can be of any assistance to you, I am sure you know it will be a pleasure to have you call on me. Very cordially yours, Director. April 23, 1928. Mr. Ae As Schabinger, Director of Athletics, Creighton University, Omeha, Nebraska, Dear Schaby: Thank you for your letter of April 10th enclosing a list of local securities, and also the two copies of letters written Major Griffith and Mr, St. John, Yes, indeed, I am glad to know that you have extended these invitations. They are fine and I hope they will both accept. I am also glad to know that you are writing Mr, Barber and Mr. Reynolds, We certainly appre} ciate the good work you are doing, With kind regards, I am Very cordially yours, Director FCA : DLW A. A. SCHABINGER, a Direéor Cc. A. WYNNE J. A. TRAUTMAN JOHN M. McMULLAN J. E. BEHA THE CREIGHTON UNIVERSITY Department of Athletics OMAHA Aprii 30; 1928 pear "Phog”: Enclosed find check for $25.00 which is due you from the Basketball Coaches ee ees making the entire sixty. Many thanks for the temporary loan. I think the President of our Association appreciates your generosity. Also enclosed is a statement for ques. Kindest regards. As ever, yours fof 4 AAS :GP Ine. 2 Mre As Ae Sehabinger, Director of Athletics, Creighton University, Omaha, ‘Nebraska. Dear Schaby: This will acknowledge receipt of your letter of April 30th. The president of the Association . is mighty glad to reeeive this remittance. Thank you kindly. I am enclosing our cheek for %2,00 to cover the amount due for membership in the National Association of Basketball Coaches, With kind regards, I am Very cordielly yours, Director FCA: DEW Enes Mr « he Kew Sehabinger, hc Direstor of Aghletics, Creighton University, Omaha, Nevraska. Dear Sehaby Wi11 you please send me another copy of the Minutes of the Second Annual Conferenee of the Nattonal As~ sociation of Basket Ball Coaches of the United States? Thanking you, I am Very cordially yours, Director, i : Sra S Ss je besdas - fe dey es a Jorentah 2. President of As Ae U. sate $1 Chambers 2 toner Po Yax,%% Drs de A. Reilly, Kensas City Athletic Club, Keneas City, Mo. De ——— Charles St., New Orleans, La. Harry . Henschel, @ Bulova Baten (os, seo fren A¥Ces | New York, Ye ¥- Le Dr. ‘Sabter Ee semielihs University of Wisconsin, aedieon, Wisconsin. 2. Wm. NeKinley Barber, 38 Livingston St., Brooklyn, N. Y. Se Le We St. John, Ohic State University, Columbus, 0. 4e Wms De Marleen, University of Pittsburgh, itteburgh, Pas ~ “Fe AS hay ~ Sct 25 My dear ‘Br ‘Allen at did. not. attend the meeting yesterday, “DUS: gaw the enclosed in today's Times, Probabhy | you | “know: all about it, but thought , you might ‘be | ineterested anyway, ee oie Se : we John . selection of the Giants to win the ‘gonfalon in the National League | for the past two years, Besides, there aren’t many repu- ; tations left lately to worry about in the ranks of the pigskin ‘‘ex- perts,’? who usually pay off to the office boys in the weekly football guessing pools—proving that what you don’t know won’t do you any harm and that a little inside knowl- edge is a dangerous thing. Thomas Gray-summed it up in his ‘| Prospect of Eton College’ (which had nothing to do, however, with Eton’s football prospects) with the simple statement, ‘‘Where ignorance is bliss, ’tis folly to be wise.’’ With two full Saturdays of play down and most of the season to go, the teams in the Hast that have given the most convincing evidence of abnormal strength are Pitts- burgh, Holy Cross and Villanova. Temple, which has been going along with almost no help from the injured Dave Smukler, might be grouped with these three, and Princeton, Navy, Army and Colgate are close behind, followed by Yale, Penn, Dartmouth, Columbia, Syra- cuse, Fordham, N. Y. U., Manhat- tan, Catholic U. and Williams, Elis Well Equipped. It may be that some of the teams |top ere long. Any team that plays the rugged sixty-minut2 football the Elis showed against Penn, that can ‘| come back in the face of such over- whelming odds and that boasts two dangerous climax runners of the | ability of Frank and Hessberg, a |forward passer and field general such as Ewart and two powerful offensive and defensive ends like Kelley and Train—such a team, with sound fundamentals, a smart attack and an iron constitution, merits earnest consideration. If Dartmouth had a back of the calibre of a Marsters or a McCall, a back of big size who could both ‘| pass and run, it would be set for a large season, despite the fact that line reserves are few and the ball carriers lack weight. But even without a Marsters the Green may be a horse of another color. One of the best tackles Hanover Jin the lower group will be near the | f MINUTES OF THE THIRD ANNUAL MEETING OF THE NATIONAL BASKETBALL COMMITTEE ; of the UNITED STATES AND CANADA held at the McAlpin Hotel, New York, N. Y. Sunday and Monday, April 7 and 8, 1935 Executive Committee Meeting The Executive Committee met at 9:30 aem., Sunday, April 7th, with Mr. L. W. St. John in the Chair. Those present were: Barber, W. McK. Crocker, J. H. Rogers, Samuel Rowe, Floyd A. Salmon, Jr., H. H. Swaffield, H. A. Tower, Oswald Hepbron, Geo. T., Secretary Metzdorf, Ae Ee, Treasurer Secretary Hepbron read the minutes of last year's meeting and it was decided to follow this general outline for the annual meeting. Chairman St. John asked the members of the Rules Coordinating Committee to gather their material for presentation to the annual meeting and it was decided that any member of this committee be privileged to question those who make sug- gested changes in order to get their point of view. Chairman St. John gave to Mr. Salmon, Chairman of the Rules Coordinating Committee, a report of recommendations from the Coaches' meeting just recently held in Chicago, and it was decided to have the suggestions from the Coaches! Associations included in the minutes as circulated. Chairman St. John reported that there were over 150 coaches present at the National Basketball Coaches! Meeting in Chicago and it was about the most repre- sentative meeting they have had. They had several present from the Pacific Coast, the Rocky Mountain District, Missouri Valley, and the Western Conference and the Southwest. They are endeavoring to evaluate the standards of the game, and merit support and approval. , Annual Meeting Mr. Le W. St. John, Chairman, called the meeting to order at 10:30 a.m. Roll Call: Those absent* Honorary Members: *Dr. James A. Naismith, Univ. of Kansas, Lawrence, Kansas. *Ralph Morgan, University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, Pa. Amateur Athletic Union Hepbron, George T. Ornstein, Chas.L.) Zimnock, John ) Canada, I.C.A.A. Crocker, Js H. Canada, A.A.U. Rogers, Samuel High School A.A. Collins, Wilson Porter, H. V. Rowe, Floyd A. Swaffield, He A. National Collegiate Athletic Allen, Dr. Forrest C. Barber, W. McK. Bohler, J. F. Crisp, Henry Meanwell, Dr. W. E. Salmon, Jr., H. i. St. Clair, James W. St. John, Le W. *Witte, Willard Y.M.C.A. Brown, Jr., John, M.D. Metzdorf, A. E. Editor Tower, Oswald alternates 105 Nassau St. 255 West 46th St. 17 Eastern Parkway Univ. of Western Ontario 210 Federation Life Bldg. (alternate for W.1I.Black) 11 S. LaSalle St. Board of Education High School Association University of Kansas 58 Livingston St. State College of Wash. Univ. of Alabama Univ. of Wisconsin 67 Wall Street Southern Methodist Univ. Ohio State Univ. Univ. of Wyoming 347 Madison Avenue 97 Elmdorf Avenue Andover Academy For results of the questionnaire study conducted by Mr. Porter's committee, see copy attached, Mr. Rowe made a study on interpretation of the rules and mimeo- graphed copies were available at the meeting. New York, N. Y. New York, N. Y. Brooklyn, N. Y. Londen, Ontario Toronto, Ontario Knoxville, Tenn. Chicago, Ill. Cleveland, Ohio Fairfield, Conn. Lawrence, Kans. Brooklyn, N. Y. Pullman, Wash. Tuscaloosa, Ala. Madison, Wisc. New York, N. Y. Dallas, Texas Columbus, Ohio Laramie, Wyo. New York, N. Y- Rochester, N.Y. Andover, Mass. QUESTIONNAIRE STUDY TION STUDY Recommendations for changes in the rules were received from the National Officials: organization. Mr. Romney: Recommended allowing a 15 minute intermission be- tween halves. The meeting adjourned for lunch at 12:50. INTERPRETA= The meeting reconvened at 2 p.m. with Mr. St. John in the Chair. ON MOTION by Dr. Brown, it was agreed to extend to the offi- cials who were delegates to the Officials' Meeting, the courtesy of being present at this discussion of the rules re= visions, but without precedent. Carried. The Chairman impressed upon those present the importance of the confidential matters to be discussed during the meeting. The afternoon session on Sunday took a recess at 6:15 pem. and the 5 recommendations concerning the pivot play were typed and copies presented for discussion at the evening session. The evening session opened at 8:30 and closed at 10:30, during which time the various suggested rules revisions were thoroughly discussed. Monday, April 8th The meeting opened, with Mr. Salmon, Chairman of Rules Co= Ordination Committee in the Chair, at 10:30 a.m. ON MOTION the Research Committee was instructed to study the matter of bringing the baskets two feet farther inside the end lines. Mr. Tower presented the following matters for interpretation: An attempt to gain possession of the ball when it is re= bounding from the back board, or when a player blocks a pass and then catches it, or when he muffs the ball and re-gains it = are not to be considered dribbles or parts of dribbles. The above statements were approved by the Committee as correct interpretations. Chairman St. John appointed the following Nominating Committee: NOMINATING COMMITTEE Metzdorf, A. E. Swaffield, H. A. Barber, Vim. McK. Adjournment for luncheon at 1:15 pem. Afternoon session: — RULES REVI- The meeting reconvened at 2:45 pem. SIONS The Rules Revision Session adjourned at 3:15 p.m. e ADOPTED For final rules revisions see attached report by Mr. Tower, Editor. : GENERAL BUSINESS SESSION The meeting was taken over by the Chairman, L. W. St. John, who introduced the new member representing the A.A.U.: Mr. Charles Le Ornstein. Mr. St. John made a statement that Dr. Naismith will hereafter be in a position to give more time to the work of this Committee and perhaps appear at some of our meetings. Dr. Allen, speaking in behalf of Dr. Naismith, told what a friend he has always been to the game and stated that it was hoped some of the high school associations would remember him when pro= viding for speakers. It is hoped that Dr. Naismith will continue actively from now on, even though he is 75 years of age. The report of the Treasurer was read by Mr. Metzdorf. (Copy attached or copy mailed later.) MOVED by Mr. Salmon: That the report of the Treasurer, Mr. Metzdorf, be ac- cepted as read. Seconded and Carried. Mr. Tower stated that last year, under the Federal Code of Fair Practice, the publishers of the guide had been required to permit other sporting goods houses to issue the guide, upon pay~ ment of $300. for the privilege. Draper & Maynard had been granted that privilege and we were supposed to receive $300. but this amount was not received to date. MOVED by Dr. Meanwell: That the customary honorarium of $500. to the Editor be awarded this year. Seconded and Carried. MOVED by Mr. Salmon: That the usual gratuity of $10.00 be given this year to the Hotel McAlpin Employees’ Christmas Fund. MOVED by Dr. Brown: That the minutes of the previous annual meeting be ap- proved as distributed to the membership, and without reading at this time. Seconded and Carried. Report from Editor Tower: "Despite the fact that we made very, very few changes in the rules last year, there was a great increase in the number of ques~ tions asked; probably due, largely, to the increase in the number of teams. We expect as the number of teams playing the game in- crease, the number of questions will be increased regardless of how stabilized the rules become. "I repeat my annual request that members of the Committee who wish changes in their addresses as they appear in the rule book, NEW MEMBER TRIBUTE TO DR. NAISMITH TREASURER 'S REPORT EDITOR'S HONORARIUM HOTEL EMPLOYEES ' FUND LAST YEAR'S MINUTES EDITOR'S REPORT or, for new members, please submit their addresses and photographs | EDITOR'S (any member may submit a new photograph if he so desires). Invita- REPORT tion is always extended to members of the Committee to submit re- (Cont'd) views and material for the guide from the groups which they repre~ sent. It is desired that each Committee member be responsible for material which appears in the guide from his section. We want to get the outstanding events in the basketball world in the guide, as it is the book read by players and coaches and all others interested. "articles for the guide should be in my hands by Jue lst." Dr. Brown reported for the Officials' Committee: OFFICIALS ' REPORT "I recognize the differences in relationship and for that rea- son I do not assume that the Committee is looking upon all the officials! work in which I em interested as a sub-section of its Committee work. I am very happy to have the Chairman indicate such interest as he has expressed and I think that is reciprocated by the officials. We are all aware that this rules body is interested in all the officials organizations. "as an Officials' Committee this past year we have (1) prepared two sets of true-and-false questions, in which we had the active cooperation and sanction of Mr. Tower. These ques@ tions were available to all officials' organizations and were used by the hundreds. There is an increasing demand for them, as a re= quired part of the system of testing officials. (2) through the responsible officers related to the National Federation of the High School Athletic Associations and the Chartered Boards, the lists of the organizations with the names and addresses of their officers were published in the guide. "tl wish to bring here, officially, the substance of a resolution adopted at the first meeting of the new National Association of Ap- proved Basketball Officials, of a greeting and expression of appre- ciation to this rules-making body for their interest and continued loyalty to this organization. They expect only to promote the offi- cial rules as created by this organization. The new National Asso~ ciation adopted a constitution and a seven=page document of procedure for the organization and function of these boards. This new organi-~ zation will continue to cooperate and render any service that may be rendered to officials individually or collectively in promoting the cause of good officiating throughout the country. Any suggestions from any member of the committee now in session will be welcome. "The National Officials' organization did itself an honor in HONORARY electing as Honorary Members the following: : MEMBERS Dre James A. Naismith Le W. St. John Oswald Tower George T. Hepbron Mr. Porter reported: "The major part of this report constituted recommendations on QUESTION- rules revisions but in addition I might say that the questionnaires NAIRE COM. with the results were distributed to various members of the commit- - tee and they speak for themselves. The compilation involved consider- able time. All the committee members cooperated to my entire satis- faction in this matter." Mr. Bohler stated that there was hardly time enough for him to get replies back to him (he is on Pacific Coast) before sending them to Mr. Porter, and he had some from the coaches which he did not have time to get to Mr. Porter. Mr. Porter said the work really started February lst and if started earlier there would not have been enough basketball to get into the swing so early in the season. MOTION by Dr. Brown: That we commend the Committee on Questionnaire for its fine work and excellent report. Carried. Dr. Allen reported: "Perhaps there was more research done this year than ever before VISUALIZA~ due to the discussion of changes. Dr. Naismith, the original research TION COM- man, continues to work on problems incident to basketball. In our MITTEE coaches? group there is Bun of Stanford, Dean of Indiana, in addition to our own group and Olson of Ohio State. "T suggested that coaches take pictures, pass on them and refer them to this body. The pictures have not been satisfactory. I want to report that the coaches! body are taking pictures because I feel that the work of our visualization committee will answer definite points involved as to what is legal and illegal, rather than tangent points of the rules. We have had the highest degree of cooperation and we are getting voluntary work by those who feel the necessity of better visualization." Mr. Rowe supplemented Dr, Allen's statement as follows: "From timé to time it has been brought to my attention that there are more people making changes in the rules than ever before because of the acute situations around the area in which I live. It happens that there were three different types of interpretation upon the same rules by groups in and around Cleveland, = Buckeye - Big Ten = and one city set up rules for playing in its high school which rules were at variance with the rules of the book. There is little opportunity to get material together in time to make it available for this meeting. 22 conferences out of 43 reporting, reported that they did make changes in the rules in their organization meetings. This seems to me serious, as they were definite changes in the rules." Mr. Salmon's report was made by way of acting chairman for re-~ COORDINAT- ports and changes in the rules. Definite changes will be included as ING COM. part of this report, He suggested that all recommendations be sent in proper typed form. Mr. Porter stated that the sum of $150 voted upon at last year's meeting for his use in making a film, was not used because he had not had opportunity to obtain photographs suitable to offer to this com- mittee for distribution. The few forms he had time to take served hi.s purpose for high school play only. Yr. Bohler and Dr. Allen both said they thought Mr. Porter had done some very excellent pioneer work, and they thought the college coaches themselves would present some suggestions and work with this group. Chairman St. John made the following presentation: "From now until our next meeting there will have been presented to a great many of you the opportunity to do something in connection with the promotion or handling of basketball in the Olympic Games. Basketball is now played in some 25 or 30 foreign countries. It owes its adoption in these countries to the activity of the International Y.M.C.A. representatives who have carried it from this country into other countries. Of our membership here, Dr. Allen, by his activity and letter-writing over the last four or six years, has probably had more to do than anyone else in promoting the basketball game from the Olympic standpoint to the place where it was officially adopted. "Our own Olympic Committee reported that basketball would not be included in the Olympic program for this year, so we had given up hope of having it accepted. Shortly after this the annowmcement was made that the Committee had accepted basketball on the program for this year as part of the Olympics. "The American Olympic Basketball Committee is being organized at the present time, which will have charge of selection of a coach, se- lection of a team, and general management of arrangements to select the team to represent the United States." Mr. Crocker stated that Canada will also be represented in basketball in the Olympics. Chairmen St. John continued: "Basketball will be a good source of finance to the General Fi- nance Committee of the Olympic Games and the campaign for the support financially of the Olympic team in the United States. "The reorganization of the present National Basketball Committee of the United States and Canada; I need not go into detail of the steps that have brought us to the present representation bases, or the pro and con reasons as to why it is necessary to revise the pres- ent basis of representation. The National Collegiate Council Meeting here in New York last December, and immediately following that an Executive Committee Meeting of the National Collegiate body, stated that it seemed desirable for the reorganization of the basketball com~ mittee in a way that it would be more acceptable to the A.A.U. When we begin to make some revision in representation and membership on the Committee that has to do with the action of basketball rules so as to give to any one of the present constituent members a more satisfac- tory membership arrangement, it seems to me, personally, that involves MOTION PICTURE FILM BASKETBALL IN OLYMPICS BASKETBALL COMMITTEE REORGANIZA= TION the necessity of a readjustment of all memberships on this Committee. BASKET BALL i wovld not see sufficient reason for modifying the A.A.U. membership COMMITTEE without at the same time revising the Y.M.C.A. membership and the Na- REORGANIZA- tional High School Federation. TION | (Cont'd) "It has seemed desirable to the N.C.A.A. Executive Committee that some reorganization in representation be made that will be more satisfactory to the A.A.U., and, therefore, having consulted with Mr. Brundage, President of the A.A.U., and consulting further with the N.C.A.A. a proposed revision is placed before yous I feel that the N.C.A.A. Executive Committee will, at the proper time, fully confirm and approve such a revision, and for each of you there should follow an acceptance or the rejection of the proposed representation. This proposed representation would give to: N.C.AA. 3 members National High School Federation > Amateur Athletic Union > Y.M.C.A. — Canada en Samuel Rogers, rep. A.A.U. J. H. Crocker, rep. I.C.A.A. ons , 14 Oswald Tower, Editor a, TOTAL 15 "The proposal has the added feature of the election of the pres- MR. TOWER ent Editor of the guide. Mr. Oswald Tower as the 15th member of this 10 BE National Basketball Committee. I believe we all feel that Mr. Tower ELECTED is an institution. I suggest here that Mr. Tower be formally elected by this group as the 15th representative. "The question comes up of the use of the rules, the publication ROYALTY of a guide or guides, and the distribution of the royalty which ace FROM crues from the publication of the guide. A year ago the Canadian GUIDE representatives desired to make use of these rules in a Canadian pub- lication. The high school groups from outlying districts have re- quested permission to make use of the text of the rules in handbooks. This joint Basketball Committee has attempted to protect the copyright, and restrict the use of the rules to the end of increasing the sale of guides, but without a great deal of success. : "As a part of this reorganization program, I am proposing that PUBLICATION each and every one of the constituent organizations be permitted to OF RULES make such use of these rules, in the way of publication, as they may desire, eeg. ~ if desired, the High School Federation may use the rules in the publication of a high school Federation guide, or permit their handbooks to include the published rules with such restrictions as the constituent organizations may wish to put on. "There is no disposition on the part of the N.C.A.A. to turn the cold shoulder on other organizations and I believe they are perfectly willing to continue the publication of a completely joint guide includ- ing such reports as have been included in the past for the high school, A.A.U., YeoMeC.A. and Canadian representatives, and have this guide dis- tributed as heretofore. However, the N.C.A.A. feel it necessary to make some such distribution of the royalties as is now being made. It PUBLICATION is apparent that that is not acceptable to all organizations and OF RULES therefore the organizations that may wish, may have full use of the rules as adopted by this organization for use in the publication or presentation of their own guide. It is the understanding that a defi- nite date for the release of the publication of the rules and the be- ginning of distribution would need to be set for the protection of the various parties concerned. If an organization desired to publish a separate edition of the rules, then our organization would be under the necessity of sharing the expenses of our rules meeting as would ap- pear to all as appropriate; expense for the stenographer; hotel em~ ployees and expense directly incident to carrying on our annual meet= ing - but nothing would be said about personal expenses of delegates and would not include the cost of honorarium to the editor of the guide as the editor would not be serving in that capacity for all of the organizations. "I have tried to cover the proposed reorganization = the proposal on the part of the N.C.A.A. and the Chairman of this National Basket-~ ball Committee of the United States and Canada. We are trying to say what we believe to be the right thing in an wmselfish manner in the in- terests of the various constituent organizations. I am in favor of the joint idea and have personally helped to keep a single set of rules in the United States. I am anxious to preserve a single set of basket- ball rules to govern all plays, from the kid teams through the college associations, high school tournaments and championships of the A.A.U., ete. We should be able to go ahead on a single code of basketball rules. Aside from this the matter of membership and finances are more difficult to resolve into satisfactory terms." Remarks Mr. Ornstein: "I want to thank you for the privilege of joining in this group this afternoon. I have followed basketball for 25 years and well recall what brought about the original joint committee from the A.A.U. standpoint and we feel that this committee has done an excellent job which could not be done in any better way and we should like to see this committee continue, in the interest of the sport. For a number of years we have discussed what was believed to be an wmfair way under which this committee was operating. We feel that we should have at least an equal representation here with the college group and a more equitable distri- bution of the funds derived from the basketball guide. For the past four or five years when this matter has come up we have been happy to continue things as they were, having one set of rules and foregoing the matter of representation and distribution of the funds. As far as the A.A.U. is concerned, we have a considerable number of men registered throughout the country with a considerable number of teams, tournaments, and championships, that all deal with the playing of the game and I feel that as long as the representation is equal in number, we do not care whether you want 3, 4, 5, or 6. We would like the same equitable dis- tribution of funds derived from the sale of the book. The number of books sold by each organization cannot be proven. We feel that if the one joint set of rules is continued, we might well continue to have one book and it only becomes a question of dollars and cents. I do not agree with the publication of several books as I think the matter of changes in the LO rules will enter into this because conferences do make changes in spite of the rule bock. We, of course, want to have our Canadian friends with us and continue one book with an equal division of funds to all organizations interested in the publi- cation of that book. I wish we might try this out for a year or two and when the time comes I feel confident we will want to continue on:this equal basis of repre- sentation and distribution of funds." Mr. Porter: "Naturally these matters have all been discussed in some of the High School Federation meetings, particularly in the executive committee meetings and I would say thet taking the plan proposed by Mr. St. John in its entirety, I think the Federation would have no objection to the reorganization. You all know we have had something of the same situation in the colleges. No one would blame the N.C.A.A. for publishing their own rules as they are powerful enough and have enough basketball games. In some sections of the country right now the high school groups would vote to publish their own rules just as is done in football. Reorganization such as has been mentioned should be satisfactory. However, I would agree to the modifications which have been suggested here. I think the mechanics of publishing and distributing of the National Federation material are such that there is no good reason why they should not have the right to publish these rules exactly as made by the joint committee, in any form they please. The distribution of the funds in the plan suggested by Mr. St. Jokm seems fair enough." Mr. Rowe: "The National Federation, because of the fact that they have at the pres- ent time published a great deal of material, should be permitted the right to pub- lish the basketball rules, absolutely as written by this body, but I do not think they should in any way participate in the earnings of the rules as published by the other bodies. In addition, I think the National Federation should pay its pro-rata share of running expense of the Federation including treasurer, office, honorarium given to the editor, etc." Dr. Brown: "I have no disposition to advocate anything. I have my personal opin- ions and the Y.M.C.A. has its place as an organization. At a time when we were stronger in basketball interests we published our own guides. We had our own rules. The time came when we thought the game would be advanced by giving up one set of rules and publishing these rules. We did away with our own guide and discontinued to discuss basketball rules in any of our Physical Directors’ Society Meetings. We were among the first to advocate the admission of the high school group, long be- fore they were admitted and on an equal basis. We stayed in the Committee with a much smaller representation than we thought we were entitled to have. At the last annual meeting of our Physical Education Committee, instructions were given author~ izing Mr. Metzdorf and myself, to negotiate and we would like to go forward with good will, with equal representation, equal distribution of funds and one guide. It becomes a question of what is best for basketball interests as a whole. Could we have an Editorial Committee that would actually publish the guide and incorpor- ate advertising space that would add an equal footing to all? From year to year, perhaps, from a financial standpoint, any arrangement would change with a changing constituency. Anything but an even arrangement on every particular would always be subject to new negotiations and misunderstanding. What to my mind is likely, but I would hate to see it happen, is, that the colleges and high schools might publish their own rules and the other organizations cooperate and go forward ex- cluding those two with the publication of official rules in a joint guide or hand~ book. . Ll Mr, Crocker: "In the meeting of the Canadian Intercollegiate Unions we had this ouestion of rules before us and we were unanimous in saying that there was no Cisvosition on our part for separate rules or for the publication of rules of 15 wmiversities in Canada. We found that nine of them played with universities and YMCA'ts and athletic clubs in the United States last year and we had a large number of those units visit Canada. We feel the importance of the wification of rules; you have treated us generously in giving us a place on this joint rules committee. It is the feeling of the wmiversities that more skillful games will be fostered by them. I certainly would like to see one rule book published on the North American Continent, as I believe this has done more in the last few years to help basketball, probably, than any other one thing." Mr. St. John: "I believe in the principle of a single code, but I do not believe it necessarily follows that we must have a single publication. Any organization such as the High School Federation should not be denied the privilege of putting out a guide, in promulgating rules in any reasonable way, if they wish. I have been embarrassed personally by the attitude of our committee, that we could not afford to let the high schools publish their own handbook with our rules. The matter of distribution of funds would have to be settled in some manner. I do not know how we will resolve our different points of view as to what would be a fair distribution of the royalties on the sale of the guide for all of us, for three of us, or for two of us. I am ready and willing to negotiate this matter. "The Executive Committee of the N.C.A.A. meets April 30 or May 4 and what- ever we have to present to them with regard to our reorganization, I would feel it necessary to tell them and get their approval or disapproval or modification of it a. Mr. Barber: "The question seems to be a matter of distribution of the proceeds and there has been no suggestion as to how this may be successfully done." Mr. Crocker: "As I understand the situation, even if the high schools did pub= lish their own guide, this committee would probably publish a guide for the bal- ance of the groups if there were only two or three." Mr. Porter: "There is a tendency to make a mountain out of a mole hill. Perhaps this is due to a misunderstanding as to the way in which the Federation operates. There is no disposition on their part to publish a book that will take the place of this guide. I assume it would be exactly as it now is with the possible excep- tion that they would not want to include the high school section when it comes to the abridged rules. This is a matter of convenience. A number of states have as many as 500 officials registered and they are certified, just as teachers are cer~ tified, and these books are distributed to these officials free, with the under- standing that part of the dues which the official pays for his certificate goes toward that material. In addition, various interpretation meetings are held in which these materials are used. The dangers of publishing these rules separate- ly have been over-emphasized. Incidentally, the Canadians asked for the same permission." Mr. Rogers: "We agreed that there would be no deviation from the rules as pub- lished by this committee, but it was a question of the cost which kept us from doing anything about publishing them." Dr. Brown: "The premium of the guide is on the rules to the extent that the rules are broadcast, and they cut into (only time will tell) the sale of the complete 12 guide which the editor issues. If our complete guide is not of sufficient merit in and of itself as a means of promoting all that this committee stands for, pos- sibiy we should sell only the official rules and nothing else and get our royalty by.cherging more for copies of the official rules as they are, and insure to the committee from that royalty source sufficient funds to carry on its essential business." Mr. Swaffield: "Would this not be the same as the permission that the Chartered Boards now have for their guide?" Dr. Brown: "This is a difficult matter, because we pay 55¢ each for that guide and this committee gets a royalty and, furthermore, it goes to the men who are pushing basketball and those encouraging the sale of the guide as is because others cannot get it. When you let out the rules by the thousands at a very small cost you take away our chief source of income. If we urged everyone to do this, we should insure ourselves of sufficient royalty and ask 10¢ instead of 5¢ and stick together. When aman buys a guide, who does he represent, the college, high school, grammar school? I am thinking of basketball, of the joint committee, and not trying to pigeon hole the 'Yt in any of my relationships. Basketball is unique in sport, in age range, in its institutional range, in club life and its uniqueness is its greatest fascination to me. For the sake of the dollar, or a separate guide, is it more to be desired to start this division than to go for- ward together?" Mr. St. Jom: "A year ago the 'separates' of the basketball guides were made available for high school or other use. The State high school secretary in Co- lumbus, Ohio, bought 1,000 and distributed them gratis to the high schools of the State. It is my intimation that this did not affect in any appreciable way the sale of basketball guides in the State of Ohio." Dr. Brown: "That might conceivably be so the first year, but as other folks learned that this man had got a cheap, concise book, they might hold off to try to get one like that." Mr. Salmon: "As a matter of factual presentation to the committee, I wish to state that last summer I had occasion to go over the records with John Doyle, from 1920, and there is a direct inverse ratio as between the issues and sale of ‘separates? and sale of the guide. In those years when there were more 'separates' there were less sales of guides." MOTION by Dr. Brown: Seconded by Mr. Ornstein. That we continue our joint committee on an equal basis of representation insofar as the four major organizations are concerned and that the two Canadian representatives be in- cluded, with the further understanding that the Editor be an additional member of this committee; the size of the committee to be not less than four (4) for each of the four major groups rather than 3 as suggested in the plan proposed, (not carried.) Mr. Porter: "This plan ought to be on the plan as suggested and presented by the Chairmen.” MOTION by Dr. Brown: Seconded by Mr. Porter: That the reorganization of this basketball committee consist of fifteen (15) members as outlined in the proposed plan; i.e., 4 from each of the four major organizations, 2 Canadian representatives and the editor of the guide. Carried. Mr. Salmon: "Does this equal representation on the rules committee pre=suppose an equal representation on the Olympic Committee in re- gard to basketball?" Mr. St. John: "The Chairman is not in position to answer but says, probably not as the representation on the various Olympic committees is set by the Olympic Committee constitution and no doubt this would not be altered or modified." Mr. Barber reported for the Nominating Committee as follows: In view of the time the committee will serve, we submit the nomination of the present officers and the present members of the Executive Committee. MOVED by Dr. Alien. Seconded by Mr. Salmon. That the present officers and the present members of the executive committee be re-elected. Carried It was stated by the Chairmen that no doubt whatever reorgani- zation is finally effected, the representatives designated here would be a part of the new organization. He also said that any constitu- ent organization might have separate meetings to study the develop- ment and history of basketball and that there have been men who were not on the active committee who were assigned to committee appoint- ments, from other organizations, and they have participated in activities outside of the voting. There is no reason why advantage could not be taken of good men of any organization but a committee of 15 men would be enough to do satisfactory business provided the members of this executive committee know their business. RECOMMENDED by Mr. Rowe: That this group endorse the opinion of the coaches that Dr. Allen be suggested for consideration by the Olympic Committee as one who could well be en- trusted with the coaching of the Olympic Basbetball Team to represent the United States. While it was generally agreed that Dr. Allen would make an ex- cellent Coach for the Olympic Team, the members were not in position to vote on the matter but they desired that this recommendation be considered a part of this record. It was stated that provision in the constitution of the Olympic Committee calls for a committee of 13 to handle this selection. Dr. Brown withdrew his previous motion and made the following motion: 13 ACCEPTED MEMBERS OF REORGANIZA- TION PLAN REPORT OF NOMINATING COMMITTEE PRESENT OFFICERS AND EXECUTIVE COMMITT EE RE-ELECTED SUGGESTED COACH FOR OLYMPIC BASKETBALL TEAM 14 MOVED: That the Executive Committee be empowered to make a MEMBERSHIP study and constitute the committee of not less than three nor more than four members from each of the four major constituent organizations, other than Canada, and the Editor; (Canada to remain with two representa- tives). Carried. MOVED: That the Executive Committee be authorized to work out DETAILS the details of organization among which are the follow-~ ing: i. Financial division 2. ‘Separates’ on rules 5. Honorarium 4. Constitution MOVED: That the Executive Committee meet at the call of the EXECUTIVE Chairman, as soon as convenient, to formulate all the COMMITTEE details of the plan. After constituent organizations TO MEET have had opportunity to consider proposed recommenda~ tions, that there then be a final meeting of the Executive Committee to finally pass upon the plan as proposed and this be not later than June lst. Seconded and Carried. Chairman St. John stated that he would endeavor to have a full meeting of the Executive Committee the day before the meeting of the N.C.A.A. Executive Committee Meeting within three weeks. Secretary Hepbron stated that he was delighted to be associated with this cammittee and complimented them on the fine spirit shown by all present at this meeting, and always exhibited when this group meets. The meeting adjourned at 6:45 pems Grace W. Smith Stenographic Service. April 16, 1935. Office of the Secretary NATIONAL BASKETBALL COMMITTEE OF THE UNITED STATES AND CANADA 105 Nassau St., New York, N. Y. July 16, 1934. Dear Sir: Find enclosed copy of the minutes of the annual meeting of the National Basketball Committee of the United States and Canada, held in New York City, Hotel McAlpin, April 14 and 15, 1934. The Secretary has been incapacitated for some time on account of a fractured ankle, and wishes to apologize for the delay in the final preparation of the minutes. The personnel of the sub-committees has not as yet been decided upon.