lire John WT, Bum, : Director of Basketball, Stanford University, Dear John: : Thank you for your letter of the 17th instemt. If you still have time to sexi me your definite statistical in« formation with respect to weights, schedules, menus, and so forth, I will be happy to got ite murs id not expect you to gin your valuable informitdon without putting it in printable form and sending it to ane of your publishers for the benefit of the rest of the professions I trust that ere now your prophetic utterances have cane to pass, and that your teen has arrived up to your full~ est expectationse We still are in a very tight spot, but hope to wangle owt of ite | With every good wish, I em Very sincerely yours, Director of Physical Nducation, Varsity Basketball Coache STANFORD UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF HYGIENE AND PHYSICAL EDUCATION Divisions of: Physical Education Activities (Including Athletics) Division of Informational Hygiene Professional Education in Hygiene and Physical Education Men Students’ Health Service : University Health Service STANFORD UNIVERSITY, CALIFORNIA February 17, 1938 Dr. Forrest ©. Allen Varsity Basketball Coach University of Kansas : Lawrence, Kansas Dear Doc: This will acknowledge your letter of February 11. In em sending you the material on our barnstorming trip, I had no idea that you were working up a report of any kind. Had I known this to. be the case, I could have sent you a lot of definite, statistical information with respect to weights, comparative schedules, menus, results of games and reactions of players under varying conditions. However, I got the impression that you merely wanted a general statement of my experiences in trevel- ing with the basketball team on extended trips. I am hoping to be able to write up all of this material in an intelligent fashion for the benefit of those who are interested in taking barnstorm- ing trips. When I finish the work I shall be glad to send it on to you. Naturally, I shall send it in to one of our publica- tions for their use for the benefit of others in our profession. As our season continues, I am more convinced than when I wrote to you that my earlier analysis was correct. Unless something happens within the next three weeks to upset this reas- oning, then I shall be convinced that I was somewhat of an expert. Of course, this is a dangerous conclusion for anyone to make, so it may be better if I am put in my right plece before that happens. With best wishes, I am Very cordially yours, JO JWB:bp | Thank you vory much for your very exhaustive and in formative letter of February Sth, which contains meh information that I desire. Very mice of you to take your time to write such - | an exmustive report, because I mow what this entalles oe vutic tuhé cenieel be eultetel ins equa 4 omey me oe it is valuable naterial because it cones fron first -hend experiences. This will be helpful to me as @ backgrowd for ee oe , I heartily agree with you that ehearsing things that — ~ghould be closed helps no one nor gets anyone to a y - ‘pointe Same one has said that you don"t make hash, it just accumietes, and I belicve they are rights. The only way to do gwmy with hash is to get rid of ite Se ee Cee ae is much better to take the charitable viewpoint, because each individual desires to do the better thing during the majority of the time cf his existences i am stre of that. STANFORD UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF HYGIENE AND PHYSICAL EDUCATION Divisions of: Physical Education Activities (Including Athletics) Division of Informational Hygiene Professional Education in Hygiene and Physical Education Men Students’ Health Service University Health Service STANFORD UNIVERSITY, CALIFORNIA February 5, 1938 Mr. Forrest C. Allen University of Kansas Lawrence, Kansas Dear Docs Thank you very much for your letter of Jamary 25, I quite agree with you that it seems a little difficult to get fellows to visualize the possibilities in the research field, particularly with respect to our problems in basketball. I think the point you were working on and which you mentioned to Val Lentz will be quite interesting to report. My particular. work here has consisted of an investigation of the fatigue effects of basketball on players as compared with other athletic activities. There is, of course, no end to this sort of activity but I may have just a little bit of information that may show the general trend. I am afraid it won't be too scientific. I do not think you should take everything you read in the papers and the magazines too seriously. I thought the article in Time was very compli- mentary to my boy Hank. I sincerely think he is one of the best basketball players I have ever seen. In addition, he is a joy to work with. Now with respect to your inquiry concerning the strenuousness of cross-country trips. There is no doubt, of course, that traveling is rather strenuous. Since I have been here at Stanford, I have had a good opportunity to study the effects of barnstorming trips upon the results of my conference seasons. From a careful study of the weights of the boys, their mental atti- tude toward the game, etc. I think I can safely say that a barnstorming trip mey or may not affect the results of a conference season adversely. It will depend entirely upon the type of trip, the number of games played, and the opportunity to get reorganized upon return home and before the conference season opens. In my opinion, barnstorming is no good for a green team because it does not give an opportunity to practice and iron out mistakes after each contest that is played. I believe we have profited least when we have taken a sophomore team on the road. If I were to take a sophomore team on the road again, I would see to it that they played just as many games as possible. This added competition would off-set the lack of opportunity for practice when traveling and the experience the players would get under game conditions, would in part make up for the lack of practice. Now when I organize a trip, I do not take any games that require jumps off the main line between the east and the west. Neither do I like to be continually jumping from oné place to another under strenuous travel con- ditions. This jumping back and forth on branch lines and getting into a place just in time to play a game is not conducive to best results and the wear and tear on the players is usually felt for mme time afterward. The trip which I made this last year and the one the year before, I consider to be quite ideal. Mr. Forrest C. Allen —2 February 5, 1938 With one exception, we had our games spaced exactly right and we had plenty of time to recuperate between games, we had opportunities to practice along the way and at the same time, our trip was so planned that it was quite edu- cational to the boys because we were able to do a lot of good sight-seeing. As a matter of fact, due to the way our school is organized here on the quarter plan, we have no scholastic worries whatever, so we can have a rolicking good time on the whole trip. By carefully watching the diet of the players with careful supervision of their health practices, we have taken our past two trips without any ill effects, whatsoever. I have felt that these intersectional games are doing more to give us a uniform type of basketball and rules interpretation throughout the country than anything else. I know that my boys, as well as myself, learn a great deal of basketball on these trips and I feel quite sure we are con- tributing just a little bit to the game on our own part. We have changed our play as a result of what we have learned, and I have noticed that the teams in the sections of the country where we have played have to a certain extent copied some of our points which they heve felt were advantageous to their play. OQur plan has been to travel every other year. However, our teams during the past three years have been so much in demand and the financial considerations were so favorable to us that we could not afford to turn down the trips. We had a seasoned team so we used this as a means of maintaining a high interest and it has worked perfectly. The slump of my team this year 1 do not feel is attributed to our trip at all. After we got home, we had about two weeks to prepare for the opening of our conference season. My three veterans contracted colds. They were in the rest home for over a week. I feel quite sure this set-back caused the reverse which was evident in our games. Last week, it appeared to me the boys were back on the way to the top of their game again. Of course, now we are fighting against a very severe handicap, but I am hoping we can finish the season strong. Now with respect to your letter of January 28 which I have just received. I do not believe any good will come from continued controversy between individuals, and for this reason, I propose to drop the matter. We have rehearsed and rehashed this whole matter a number of times so I do not believe anything is to be gained by continuing the issue. Surface evidence and deep facts are, of course, two different things. My conclusions and opinion have not been built up hurriedly, but rather over a period of a number of years. I have formed some of these rather reluctantly, so let's just con— sider that there is a difference fopinion and drop the matter at that. I assure you there is no misunderstanding, so as far as I am concerned the matter is finished. I don't know that I have given you any valuable information on traveling with a team, but at least you have my own conclusions and Pree Neeee in this matter. With best wishes, I am Very cordially yours, I am sending you copy of the letter that I have received from Vel Lentz, end my reply to hime i do not believe thet he has definite in mind for his research committee, and it is so. . late now that mless he has something assigned it would be impossible to get anything worth while. I am sending you a copy of the letter I wrote him so that you can see wnat we have definitely planned for our research in this sections Are you doing any ana research on any specific thing in basketball? By the way, I read the article in Stine and several of | your Lawrence friends commented | it, emnong then Professor We We levis, Mre Endacott, and sone of the ‘basketball fanse _ John, there is enother matter that I want to ask your | opinion aboute Do you think these cross-coumtry trips have anything — to do with taking the edge off the interest of the boys in their conference play? I see that the teams that generally make those trips generally lose their early conference gamese Minnesota, Nebrasia, end in your case, = end I am wondering if you think the trip beck Inst had enytiins to do with losing to UeS.C. and to Cale I have always had e notion that too much treveling in the pre-conference schedule takes something out of the boys, either fron their staying at hone and working on their fundamentals, or fram t threw the ball game aways — bo ye Wak nee that we didn't travel at all, and we lost a ball game. Wil you ‘kindly write me your convictions dn we matter? I will appreciate i very much» Director of Physical Education, Varsity Basketball Conche the return of the center jump and the elewition of the basket. Be sure that you take a 12 foot tasket on your 10 foot beekboards All that is necessary is to get some 4 by 4 or 2 by 4 and use the 10 foot basket to extend 2 fect ups I think you cet the idea. | You will find that a tall mn is impotent under the 12. foot baskets le can still drive in end ley it up, but not Tike he can wider a 10 fott basket. Ani if this tall pleyer catcher the bell directly under the basket he is in the poorest pleee in the world te shoot @ basket. About 15 te 18 feet ovt in fraut is the — best place to hit the basket. The poorest place is uuler the taskete The rebounds will come a lot further out wer a 12 foot basket, and thet will mike the big, tall, husky guard more impotent, es= pecially when he uses his hips to bump the offensive man aways | player who is being fouled going in under the basket will also be done away with, as you will not.drive in mder the 12 foot basket, almost every drewtack to the 10 foot basket is enhanced by the 12 appreciation wien the ball 4g shot to the higher basket. I will be happy to see you in Chicagos With every good wish, I em — Very sincerely YOure» : . Divector of Physical Education, Varsity Basketball Coachs bie LONG ISLAND UNIVERSITY COLLEGE OF ARIS AND SCIENCES DEPARTMENT OF ATHLETICS AND PHYSICAL EDUCATION 300 PEARL STREET * BROOKLYN, NEW YORK CLAIR F. BEE, Telephone: Director TRiangle 5-6211 Me. fog Alien University of Kansas Lawrence, Kansas Sab HORS am going to take advantage of your sugzestion and write to some of the western coaches and make some a sert Of impetus for the aes of the center jump and elevation of the basket. I have never tried the basket. elevated to 12 leet, but I am going to try it out before the meeting. I th lk we will have a f: ime and I am look- ing forward to ing. you,.again. ae Pot Athletics INTERCOLLEGIATE ELIGIBILITY RULES Each student must maintain satisfactory academic standing in order to be eligible to participate in athletics. No student may represent the University in a major sport until he has attained sophomore standing. Students who transfer from other colleges or universities must complete one year of college work at Long Island University before they may participate In major sports. Hire John We Duta, a Director of Stanford Gitvecette, Californias Dear John: - I om acknowledging receipt of your letter of the isth instante I refer especially to the last paragraph in your ey te te er ie ce of last years i am wondering if you refer to the letters of _ diy 10 and August 10, 19566 T then: t enihheed’ ea Salty on penetvinds tte conference would zot permit: us to play in Kansas City, and as you kmow, playing on our court was out of the questions I em 2 ee oe ve Git sevitny. 4 you. Sahel e.ghh ide: ta nae aha . end they were against the conference rule, wouldn": you think — that that answer wes a sufficiently good one for you to tell ‘Relph that you had tried but it was against the conference rule? Had you offered to play Kansas in lawrence during school tine . a ro ee ne eee ere | - You will perhaps remember when we dint dhwiet Sect sity of Southern California, or agreed to then, year before . last in Kensas City, and Missouri and Kansas State objected to tournaments This was donee tie played but ome game with UsS.Ce, If there are other letters to which you refer I would be glad to have you advise mes. Please do not feck that I am carry- ing this on to an endless , but I would just like to have everything clarified so there be no no misunderstandinge -Mith every good wish, I am- Va LM bin) STANFORD UNIVERSITY -CALIFORNIA P.O. BOX 3006 OFFICE OF GENERAL MANAGER January 13, 1938 Dr. Forrest C. Allen, Varsity Basketball Coach University of Kansas Lawrence, Kansas - Dear Doctor Allens This will acknowledge your letter of December 30th, concerning a series of games of basketball between Stanford and Kansas, here at Stanford. I am glad to know that you are interested in coming out. The dates between December 25 and January 1 will probably be the most feasible for playing these three games in 1941. If this agreement is agreeable to you, will you please let me know at your early convenience so that we may begin to build the rest of our re schedule around these games. Your statement attributed to Ralph Miller is okeh except that you have the wrong tense. What I said was that I "had" tried in every way possible to get a game with Kansas but had not been successful. I was referring, of course, to our very extended correspondence of last year. We are, however, glad for the opportunity to meet you out here under the above arrangements. oN, ae, &, "ee, With best wishes, I am JWBso or of Basketball Schedules and arrangements for games not official until confirmed by General Manager. Address all communications to Box 3006, Stanford University. Femsit me to offer my fulsome ane Gate This is a rare honor that canes With every good wish for the Yule~ tide seasci, | em Simeerely yours, STANFORD WIVERSITY Decenber i7, 1937 Varsity Director eet 5 ue abs ee Sis bck ee eS eee Basketball Coach, of Physical Biusetions December 17, 1957 men of your eamittee is not very active or he heave coutasted you before this time. I am somenimt concerned about this turn of events. Second, wi Se . for two years as we have already made our plans for 1959 and 1940. Ye would, howe ever, be glad te consider ganes for 1941s I do not believe that wo would be in a home and home arrangement, but wehubied ot machetes bontaee wae eh sation of Basketball Coaches, which gives comuittees. Ss nied os i and Stanford, att h wns nek the ote oe eo iiller came into my office and stated that on your way back from California ee oe oe in basketball, and he came in and asked me to write yous : | [ g ‘ve agree that both of us are pretty well. beataged for gues for the ‘uture, end neither of us would be especially free unrtil 1941. Suppose wo treat this ‘él series in an expectant manners It will be entirely agreeable to us, if we for us te reecive the same guarantee as you re~ Let's make it even money = we would not want August 4, 1938. ti | el § i wll fhe Firat 8 the second ganostar he eee hay Shek sone an id j pul EY i io Hh it 3? a if Ht 5 5 } : Ag a} af 33 i a | ! : ! Saath tnt i 4 lp pn PB fl i ci i ut ait Hl ii So we will leave it this my. We will get when we returns We are hoping that we my have I ean appreciate how busy you will be with your ae STANFORD UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF HYGIENE AND PHYSICAL EDUCATION Divisions of: Physical Education Activities (Including Athletics) Division of Informational Hygiene Professional Education in Hygiene and Physical Education Men Students’ Health Service University Health Service STANFORD UNIVERSITY, CALIFORNIA July 26, 1938 Dr. Forrest C. Allen Director of Physical Education University of Kansas Lawrence, Kansas Dear Doe: I have delayed answering your letter of July l until I could get in touch with Thomas. He was out here this last week attending a Lions' Convention and so I had an opportunity to visit with him. I find I am going to be busier than that proverbial cremberry merchant while I am in Topeka. For this reason, I hesitate to make any dates for entertainment. You see, I do not have any time for vacation this year. I usually take my vacation during September, but my new job responsibilities begin at that time, so I must hurry right back from Topeka to get on the job. I am hoping, however, to spend one day or longer in thet vicinity after I have finished the coaching school assignment. If you are going to be around Lawrence during the last week in August, then if I can make a definite ar- rangement at that time, I will get in touch with you. Il would like nothing better than to try my untrained skill at golf. You see I have played about twice during the last two or three years on the rolling hills of eastern Kansas. I am dropping a line to George Nettels to suggest that it is time for him to visit the home folks at Topeka, particularly the last week in August. Thank you again for your letter. I shall try to plan to get in touch with you while I amin Topeka. With best wishes, I am Very cordially yours, and JWB/a I trust that you will deduct the regular charges paid and you have deducted your charges I shall be glad to peeeive the loan that I made to lirse Wellhausene Again thanking you for your kind offices in this natter, and with all good wishes, I am oe thrector of Physical Education, Varsity Basketball Coaches MAURICE L.BREIDENTHAL, Presioent MILTON W.FELD, Vice Presivent &% S "EDERAL pesee© MiENiINE SOTA AVE (AT Sev E NTH CLAUDE L.WILSON, Casnier LAWRENCE S.BLUM, Asst. CasuierR KANSAS CITY, KANSAS August 29, Dr. Forrest C. Allen University of Kansas Lawrence, Kansas Dear Phog: 1938. I am enclosing copy of a letter just written to Mrs. Wellhausen which will be self-explanatory. IT understand you want me to hold the new note here. If not, please let me know and I will send it to you. With best wishes, I am MLB: LM Enc. Mrs. Edw. L. Wellhausen 1529 Vermont Street Lawrence, Kangas Dear Mr. Wellhausen: We are in receipt of your 9468 pO returning your old notes