RADIO PROGRAM
February 10, 1938

PHYSICAL EDUCATION FOR HEALTH SERIES

"The Athlete Goes to College."

STATION ANNOUNCEMENT

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Up and down --Alma Mater.

ANNOUNCER: Tonight we present the University of Kanses basketball team in "The

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Athlete Goes to College”, a dramatization written especially for the
Jayhawk cagers by Rolla Nuckles....Naturally, the field of athletics
includes many competitive sports. It would be impossible to do justice
to each of them in the time allotted us. So for our purpose tonight,
we take the basketball player, in a true dramatization. Unliko most
plays and motion pictures, we say that all the characters in our play
are drawn from life, and that these characters will be played by.ee.
thomselves... The first scone is laid in the office of the director of
physical education of any high school. Nelson Sullivan is a senior -
graduation is drawing near, and, like most seniors, Sullivan is trying
to decide where to go to college, and wo hear him speaking to his coach
as the scene opens:

Sure, I'm going to ge to college aftor I graduate.
Have you decided where you want to g0?

Yeah, I think so.

Where?

Well, you seo, I've just finished reading a book by "Phog" Allen, and
I'd like to work with him. He sounds like he knows his stuff.

He does, Nelson.
You used to be on his team, didn't you?

That's right. And I think that you're the sort of material that "Phog"
wants « ;

Goce, I hopo so. I went up to a game a couple of months agoe Boy, did
they play basketball. I'd give anything if I could play like Fred Pralic.
Wonder what he's like?

I've never met him. Ho'll bo playing next year, though, when you go up.
You can sce for yourself.

Yeah. Say, coach, I wish you'd talk to Joe. He's not going to K.U. with
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Why?
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Oh, he's been talking to too many people.
thing job offered him before he goes up.

Says he's got to have a sure

Well, Nelson, I guess Joe won't go thene Dr. Allen isn't interested in the
fellow who wants easy money before he starts his education. He believes,
and I think he's right, that the pay off comes when you get through wns
lege.
What d'you mean?
Well, that the university trains you to do a big job whon you get out. If
you've made a good name for yourself in basketball or football or whatever
you go into, you've made a start toward introducing yourself gaan to
socicty and business.

I'd never thought of it thet way.

I think you'll find a new way of looking at most things when you get up
there, Nelson. Anyway, I know you'll like it, and well -- the best of
luck.

Thanks, coach == [I'll noed it.
And so Nelson Sullivan leaves his home town, and arrives at the University
of Kansas to begin the ever strange process of enrolling. For our next
scene we take you to Robinson Gymnasium where students from all over the
stato and country are gathered to start the school year.

VOICES UP IN AD LIB HELD LOW DURING FIRST PaRT OF THIS SCENE:
Let's see your card.

Sorry, you'll have to get in that line.
Get your advisor to 0.K,. that.

I've been in every line in this building. When do I get through?
Meet me afterwards for © coke.
You'll have to see your advisor.
Yeah, I know - but where is he?

Over at that table, see, over there.

OK. Thanks.

You're welcome . « » let's see your card, please.

Are you Dr. Allen?

Yess What may I do for you?
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I'm Nelson Sullivan. I'd like to talk to you sbout majoring in physical

educations

I'm glad to know you, Nolson.e Sit down.
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Thanks.

Having 2 tough time?
Well, not exactly, but it's all a little confusing.

You'll got used to thate So you want to major in physical education?

Yes sir. What do you think?

Well, Nelson, you know you very seldom find 2 father who advises a son to
follow in his footsteps. He knows how tough it is, sand how much work. I
wouldn't want to advise you unless I knew more about you.

I've always worked around the gym, and majored in physical education. You
see, I think I'd like to coache

You look like you've got the stuff. To bo a coach, Nelson, you've got to
be a scrapper, you've got to have enthusiasm, a hard worker -- and if you
dissipate, you might as well stop now.
I've got the enthusiasm, and I know I'd be willing to work. I know there
aren't any snap courscese

That's right Nelson. Why, some of the most rigid roquiremonts are in phys-

ical education - both acedemic and physical. Now, do you still want me to
help you plan your course for physical education?

Yes, sir.

All right, thon. Now, you'll tako a course in rhetoric and (FADEOUT) « «
five hours of physiology . « « and five hours in human anatomy e « «

ANNOUNCER: And so Nelson Sullivan finds himself enrolled, ond ready to begin work

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A short time lator, Sullivan and a friend of his answer
We hear him talking to Fen Durand as

in his classcse
the call for basketball practice.
they enter the gym.

Do you know where wo go?

Yeah, - down these steps ~- come one
I think I'd botter go on home.

Come on - it won't hurt youe

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There's sure a lot of ‘em here.
Yeah « « say, look over there - by that post - isn’t that ---
Goe . » that's »« « « that's Fred Pralle,

Yeah.

Hey, he’s walking out into the middle of the room - listen « « «

OK. follows, como on in here closer, I want to talk to youe . . that’s
better. Now, most of you fellows have played basketball in your high
schools . « e and what I'm going to say'll be old stuff to you « e but it
won't do any harm to repeat ite In the first placo, you've got to trair,
and train hard. We don't say very much about that, because we believe thot
if you check out 2 uniform you let us mow that you‘re willing to train.
You've got to cut out nicotine and alcohol. Vhy? Because the human machine
that's under good control can win over the one thatisn't. We know, and so
do you, that you've got to train to win. Only when your body's in good con-
dition can you drive your opponents so hard and so relentlessly that you
weer fem downe « » and when you do wear 'tem down... you can lick ‘om, In
this school there are three extra-curricular activities: there's athlctics,
or social or politics. You can take your choice, but if you go in for bas-
ketball you have certain obligations to carry through - this isn't an athlet~
ic club and it isn't a YsMeCoAse « « « we've all go to work and train and
have a lot of enthusiasm for the thing we're doing. And now, I want you
fellows to mect Sylvester Schmidt. . . Smitty's not only a star player on
the floor, but he's « straight A student on the campus, and if you don't
think that's something, you try ite OK. Smitty « « « «

Thanks, Frede « « One thing we're proud of on this team is our scholastic
standinge A lot of people have the idea that athletes don't make good grados,
and that the profs lot ‘em through just because they're on the team. That's
a lot of foolishness. Wo don't try to get by because we're on the team - wo
try to make better grades. Pralle heres been all Big Six guard for two
yearsee and he’s made a good grade averageee and so have Ebling and Harp

and Kappelmaneee Johnson, Florell, Corlis, and all the restes,.e You've got

to make the grades to play on the teame Isn't that right, Golay?

Suree Doc Allen tells us the first thing to keop our grades upe

It like to show you what the record of the team was for last your, You

see this chart hore on the black board...it's the total number of nours snc 4
the grades madoe.eel08 hours of A=242 hours of B-463 hours of C-and 89 hoars
of D= and if you'll look where it says failure=you'll see 2 great big goose
ege there. Not an hour of failure on the entire term. All you new fellowe
have to remember is that as far as grades are concerned, you have to main-
tain a certain average to play - and it doesn't make any difference how

good you are if we can't use youre And now - I'd like to have you meet

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Thanks, Smitty --- I'd just like to tell you fellows that tho Jayhowkers
have won 12 out of 16 Missouri Valley and Big Six championships <-- that
they've taken 21 championships in 26 years, and I'd like to introtice the
man who's back of it all. A man who's coached for 31 years --- the longest
period of service of any basketball coach -- Doctor "Phog" Allen.

(SOUND: APPLAUSE)

Smitty and Fred have told you about grades and training ~-- all I want to

do now is to tell you a few things concerning montal stance. First of ali,
you've got to have confidence in yourself when you get at there on the
floor. Be unafraid -- put ali fear out of your heart-and when I yell ¢t
you or bawl you out - romember thet it's for the good cf the tecm, and
there's absolutely nothing personal in it. Now thon, for 2 fcow fandarcutel
rules of basketball . « »« Corlis « « «

 

 

Yes, sir.

Will you and Johnson go out on the floor, and go into action to show the
boys what I menn? .. .

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You want to pass at angles . . . Johnson, you pass to Corlis - there - you
see what I mcane You run in curves, Lyman, and when ycu pivot, Carl, you
pivot toward the side lines. « . e Take that pivot over again, will you,
Carl? - Look how he does ite Now then. one thing you always want to re-
member is to assume a gorilla crouch. Carl, you do that, and Lyman, you
stand up straight ... . «nd both throw the ball. .. »« See how much eas-
ier it is for Carl in the crouched stance? You see, when you're in that
position, you can make agile and safe movements because of better equil-
ibrium, and too, the springs of the body are in the kneose Well - I think
that's all for today - come out tomorrow, and we'll. continue the drill on
the most important fundementals.

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Hey, Florell, wait a minute.

Looks like a good bunch.

Yeah . « but they've got to go a long way to come up to some of tho star
basketball players I could mention (In dialect)

Well, listen to old coon doge

Quiet, peanut.

He's a little man - Hunt, but ho's fast.
Come on, let's got a shower.

Boy, you need it!

Why, 272) break your «+

(Fading) Help! Help!
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Training- practice- study- all lead up to the big game. Por our iast
scoue we take you to Hock Auditorium --a crow of over four thourcind
peospls arc watching tne game.

SOUND. CHEER.

Just listen to that crowd as Ebling dribbled in for a set-up, and his
Sth poiat tox the dayhewkers. Tho score's 15 to ° with the Jeyhawkers
teallingsee there's a lot of wild racing up anc dowa the court,

(SOUND: GHEER}

bus Pypalle Droaaks through with a field soa’

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to maxe the score 15 40 11 at tho half. The boys from K.J, are leaving
the floor - let’s foliow thom to see what hrppcns . >

Get those eold towels -- hero, put it arcunc your nock and face,
Lie down, Don, I'll sponge your arms,

Open the windows 4 e« «

Here's your sweat suit - better zot ines it nowe

Here's Doctor Allen.

hie on up to the board,

It sure makos it clear, with the basketb-1 court on the beard.
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All right, boys. Here's wht your-lcing incorrectly. You're not carry-
ing; through you~ pliayse The opponents aro tircwing ¢ zcne derense
agcinst you a1i you boys don’t recognize it. Now here*ts a way to work
through 1t. ». (FaDE OU’). ». Now, if you'll just take shat pivot hore,
and pass tho ball to . « « « « (FADE IN) . . is thet clear? Aro there
any questions? . . . What is it, Ebling?

Doctor, you semember how you told us to bend tie outside knee end throw
the outside arm low to block tho dribble of anv player circiing around?
Well, I’ did that end they called a foul on no .. what wis wrong?
I'm the man that meade the foule

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How s that, Dick?
Well, you see, I doubled upon him to help you Don.

Yes, but she referec was standing way over on the other side of the floor
and called a foul on Ebling instend of Harp.
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That was a smart quostion, Don Ebling. You're always asking questions that'1i
improve your gamcs e » You did exactly right, Don, and I commend you for it.

Listen, youeesLook at this diagram of their defensive formation, on the
blackboard here. 4 » Formtion number one will work perfectly on their right
guards « « Harp, you swing around him - ho's a sucker on this play.

Yes, sire

Pralle, when we had a four point lead as wo once had tonight, quit your long
shooting and set our plays upe « « let's work a play through them. . . Do

you understand, Fred?

Yes, Sire

If they switch from their man for man formation to a zone defense play, that
old home=-week formetion play with Pralle cutting across to screen, and Schmit-

ty zipping that ball around with machine-gun-firo rapidity . . . Renombor,

Schmitty, you are the quarterback of this outfit. Drive them, Schmitty, drive
them

Yes, Sire

Florell, your ball handling hes been excellont . . . you're fighting, but that
old razor-edge determination is lacking. You've got to give more. Get it?

Youfre darn right.

Now you sound like something! I expect overything you 've got »« »« « Come on,
you fighting Jayhawkers.. Chins up. e all of you. You're playing a good
game but your best is not half good enoughe Remember . . four points be-
hind and 20 minutes of the y roughest, toughest going that a Kansas team has
ever. faced. I haven't any doubt in the world but what you can take them if
you'll only pay the full price! What do you say, gang - - I want to know
- - Are you going to take them?

You bet « «

Come on, fellows « .«

Wetll get ‘em, doc « «

Good luck « e

Get in there and fight, follows.

(SOUND: CHEER)

ANNOUNCER: And so the Jayhawk cagers go out on tho floor to the cheers of the crowd.

(SOUND: WHISTLE)

The whistle blows, and the boys are after that ball..Florell passes to
pralle, who takes tho ball down the floor, he pausos, sosrohing the floor
with his eyes, and thon throws tho ball.eeand

(SOUND: CHEER)
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It's good! Watch these Jayhawkers croop up .- a foul called .. Ebling
gets two free throws ee he stands thoree.e waitingee and he shoots

(SOUND: CHEER)

and it's good »« « e he's again measuring the baskote. he throws, and it's
good again, the score's tiod.s. wait a minute .. a long throw from center..
and it’s ins

(SOUND: CHEER)

And so while the Kansas team is marching to victory..ewe leave thom on the
floor.. working.s.fighting togethor... a tcoam of one... for each man works
as only a member of the toam.. a team on its way to another Big Six Champ-

ionshipe
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You have just listened to the KU. basketball team in "The Athlete Goos
to College", written by Rolla Nuckles.

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RADIO PROGRAM
PHYSICAL EDUCATION FOR HEALTH

February 3, 1938
"POSTURE FOR PERSONAL APPEARANCE"

Miss Dun@¥l1, I have often heard somo professors in physical education and cer-
tain physicians state that posture has very little to do with health. I do
not agree with this statement, because proper posture emphasizes the two
primary and the two secondary normal curves of the spines In correct posture
the thoracic area of the body provides a more fulsome space for the heart,
lungs and other vital organs in that area, and in the lumbar and sacral
regions proper posture allows the necessary areas for the correct relationship
of the abdominal and pelvic organse And no less important is the function of
these same normal curves in dissipating the jar and shock of walking and
moving about. I think it is interesting to note that the engineer has

adopted the same plan which Nature uses for distributing and absorbing

shock. The arches of a bridge span do that job just as the arches of the
back and feet do it for the human structure.

Of course we folks in Physical Education are oxpected to be posture conscious,
but I always pick up my ears when I hear people outside our field mention it.
Yesterday Professor W. H. Johnson strolled by whore we were enrolling students
in Physical Education, and said to me, "Say, Miss Dunkul, tell me - is there
any place in this University where a student can get a course in porsonality?"
I thought at first he mcant some course in psycholory. But then he went on to
say, "I mean by that where they can learn poise and balance and how to handle
thomselyes graciously and nicoly." "Well," I said, "That should be a part of
physical education, and according to my ideal of physical education it should
be taught fn all our courses, whether they be swimming, hockey, dancing, or
basketball. Fundamental rules of correst mechanical use of the body are the
foundation of our skill courses." And@ then he went on, "Well, I have just
often wondered, because I think it is important for everybody to stand well.
How you carry yourself has a lot to do with what people think of you, how

you wear your clothes, and general appearance."

Exactly, Miss Dung . Professor Johnson, for a years a professor in the
School of Education, appreciates these principals because he has followed
thom. I am wondering how many people would debt: with us the question that
proper posture is not helpful to personal appearance. Suppose we considor
the athlete, tho actor, the happy, buoyant soul, and the dejected, sorrowful
individual, What has beon your experience, Miss Dynkel, in posture for per-
sonal appearance? °

Dunkel--Any work that necessitates an sudienco obviously makes appearanco very im~

portant. Probably no group of individuals are as mich in tho limelight as
those in the theater. I've heard Rolla Nuckle, an instructor in the Depart-
ment of Speech and Dramatic Art, say - "It is difficult for me to believe

that anyone should say that posture has little to do with personal appearance.
In the theater, whero we portray every typo of person, posture is the phys-
ical and obvious manifostation of the character which the audience seese
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A senile, old person immediately becomes stooped and broken. Nothing gives
as much vitality and strength to a character as correct posture." So we
find posture helpful in conveying negative impressions as well as positive
onese Have you noticed that those stage people who please us we usually
describe with words of approval such as "allure" and "glamour". These
words we generally reserve for an expression of porsonality which the
average spectator never even considers as boing possible for himself. Now
let's look beyond the footlights into the proccss of making the particular
actor what he or she is in physical appeale Considor that every young
actor undergoes rigorous training in dancing, fencing, and goneral body
postures. Why'Ive scen a theatrical novice practicc just sitting down or
getting up like a young pisno student might practice his scales. Welking,
going up and down stairs, ond all the hundred and one necessary movements
in daily life must be done as an art. Thon after this period of work and
practice has accomplished its purpose, we who sit out in front admiring
actors' ease are wont to sigh and murmur, "God has been good to them, aron't
they fortunate!" Don't ever fool yourself that what scems so simplo and
natural for these artists is divine favor alone. The samo formula that
works and wonders for them will do just that for any one with the interest
and determination to practice ite Just last night. I noticed in the paper

a description of a word we hear a lot lately --- umph - described as person-
al dynamics, meaning attractiveness, ond kinesthetic vigor. Body posture
is a very real part of that personal dynamic impression. I will nover for-
fet Jim Bausch, the World's Olympic Decathlon Champion. On the Kansas
basketball court or on the track, his power was eaily apparent, but even in
his casual and relaxed positions ho radiated the powor and force that was
his because of the thrilling wey in which he carricd himsclf. He was a
neat example of perfect focus in body posture.

Yes, and he had that power, too, Miss Dunkel. I remember once on the prac-
tice court in the gymnasium, the basketball was thrown into the balconye
Jim Bausch, with a Herculenn leap grasped the girders of the gallery and

in an instant he pulled his gigantic form up tho girder, over the rod, and
into the balcony after that ball, with the poise and doxterity of a modern
Tarzane Thore was grace and efficiency. Miss Dunkol, you have had a great
deal of training in the dance. Aren't the problems of the dancer and the
actor much the same?

Yes, their problems have mech in commone But the actor, of course, has his
voice and his speaking lines to help make himself expressive to his audience.
Whereas the dancer has to depend entirely on movement for expressione Del-
sarte spent his life making a study of emotional oxpression through body
position and movement. He discovered and codified the laws that govern

the usc of the humen body =s an instrument of expression, and his findings
have been invaluable oids in doveloping the arts of the dencor and actor.

Of course, tho average individual who isn't trying to tell o story or con-
vey a message to an audience through movement docsn't nocd to bo as skil-
ful as the ortist, but he should never forget that his movements and his
body positions still retain the same powers of oxpression, anc he conveys
many impressions to the public concerning his inner sclf, his ments atti-
tudes and his emotional traits through the positions and postures of his
bodye I have noticed, Dr. Allon, when you want jrour besketbe11 mon to sug-
fost an aggressive, militant attitude they immediately assume a posture as-
sociated with that foeling. You doubtless have discovorod what wo have in
dancing concerning the relationship of thought anc feoling to body positicn.
The two scom to complement one another -- idoa or omotion tending to evoke
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a characteristic body position, and vice versa, the assumption of a partic-
ular body position tending to stimulato the emotion or iden which is assoc-
iated with it.

Quite right, Miss Dunkel, the defensive basketball player must be an ag-
gressive, challonging, militant individual, not only using his bodily movo-
ments to offer « threat, but ho may shout, stomp his fect, lunge forward and
retreat practically in near-simultaneous movement to throw fear into his
opponent. It is the srind of fundamentals that men in competitive sports
dislike. But aftor all it is the patient rchearsing of these fundamentels—
that makes a succossful player, We all agree that the secret of success is
hard diligent and intelligent work. But of all the ingrodients contributing
to successful tochnique, I believe that the mental attitude has more to do
with the success of an individual than any given activity. Every successful
coach has taught his players these lines: Remombor this my boy, no matter
how tired and worn out you are, the other fellow is just a little more tired
than yous Do you agree with mo Miss Dunkel that the mental attitude or tho
spirit in which an individual goes at a thing unconsciously dictates his
posture?

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way they move - for a good many years, and I've found that postures will
often reveal what the individual may be trying to hide. Anyone trained to
understand the postural manifestations of internal body conditions can
detect symptoms of fatigue, depression, and bewilderment which the individ-
vol himself may not be conscious of experiencings You know, Dr. Allen, I
feel this problem of fatigue and posture aro very closely related. I'd

like to pursue this idea of "mental attitude" further, but while the thought
comes to mo, I wish you would tell me if your experience leads you to bo-
lieve that habitually bad posture — is often a result of chronic fatigue.

Miss Dunkel, my experience leads me to belicve that the equation works both
wayse Undeniably that chronic "tired out" feoling which goes with lowored
body resistance or constant overwork always shows itself in a typical pos-
tures In fact, tho modicel profession calls this fatigue posture "the foril-
la typo". But there are just as many cases of chronic fatigue which are
caused by habitually bad posture - posture in which the body joints aro so
out of line with each other that terrific strain is put on nerves, ligaments
and muscles. These are the cases — are pathetic, for with a littlo
knowledge and effort the Deny could be balanced sv as to cause no strain in
ordinary movoments.e

I'm glad to hear you say that, for those aro the same conclusions I have
reached. And I've noticed that often the sitting man is even a sorricr
spectacle than the standing one. If poople ‘ could only realizo that to sit

easily and comfortably moans only pushing the hips as for beck in tae cheir

as possible and thon bending forward at tho hips and that dces not moan at
the neck nor st the waist. Sittin- slummed over. at tho neck or waist puts
all the body woight on the end of the spine and its sure to make one dog-
tired after a couple of hours. I am told that tosts at Harvard show that.
school children who sit properly do better work and are less fidgety and
mischievous than those who don'te
Allen -- Right, and it might interest businoss and professional mon to know that the
correct sitting posturo has a very practical value in the days! routine.
Because a good sitting posture inecreascs efficiency and staminc. VWhon cal-
lers sec you dynamically poised for work they state their business quickly
and interviews do not drag unicss you change your position and lean back in
your chair, when almost anything can happen.

Dunkel-- Which is a way of saying that there are economic valucs in good posture, too.
Of ccurse I belicve thet. We've already discussod posture in relation to
hygienic, acsthovic anc suciul velucs, but I can see it roy also play its
part in the business of getting the job dcne.

Allen -- I often notice the discouragedperson walkin: down tho stroot. Fis shouldors
are drooped, his hend is down, he amblos along aimlessly. Faulty posture
is to the human body what poor enginevoring is to o bridge. On the other
hand, note tho successful business man. He has a jaunty stride, ho has a
salutation - a cheery word for those he meets, and « handelasp that denotes
buoyancy. It pays to look well, aside from a health standpoint. Proper
posture enables us not merely to look well anc move gracefully, but it also
conserves the reservoirs of cnergy that seep away unconsciously through com-
mon postural defects. Good posture is more than morcly standing straight.
In balance, 211 parts of the body, including tho internal organs, are hold
in working position. Good posture cugments mental buoyancy. It reflects
good fellowship that bogets the more choery response from the other fellow.
I often think of that old threadbaro expression, "it takes 13 muscles or
the face to smile and 65 muscles to frown", A “Hello Week" in our town and
on our campus would make more montal medicine than all the psychiatrists and
physicians could generate in o month. after ell, we strive for social ap-
proval, and by having a friendly word for our passing neighbor we definite-
ly inform that individual that he is quite satisfactory.

Dunkel --Before we must lcave Drs Allen, I'd like your views on just one more angle
of this posture picture. We who work in oducation through the physical self
are naturally intorested in body postures.. I have fomd in my contacts with
eirls and women that the aesthetic benefit from a well-poised body graccful-
ly carried has the greatest appoal for inducing thom to make the effort to
hold themselves upe I'm reminded of a story in which o woman related the
coincidence of meeting an old acquaintance whom she hadn't secon for two
years, Sho was astonished at the great chanse in her friend for, as she
put it, tho friend had grow "not so much older, but so much younger", A
few questions satisfied her that the answor was not due to face-lifting ,
glance treatments, nor falling in love. The acquaintance admitted all sno
hed done was go to & gyms She had found a secret that few people realizoe
It isn't the face which crows old, but the body which slumps anc segs anc
develops the middle-aged spread and the housekeeper's Croope If we can
manage to provent this, and we can by exercise, our bodies retain their
youthful lines into old age. If women only knew that nature has provided
an abdominal support with four mighty layers of two-way-stretch musclose
What a corset! And if this one is kept strong and supple as in youth they
would never need another. It is whon the abdominals give way the whole
body sagse

Allen -- I can easily s¢e why women, with their intorest in retaining youth, in woar-
ing clothes woll and in developing charm, will feke the effort to achieve
a posture that contributes to these desires. 1 shouldn't say that men as a
group wero entirely immune to these samo appeals in doveloping strong body
positions. But for greater than these is the man's pride in his efficioncy
and ability to accomplish his objective. You know, man is a proud and dom-
ineering individual, so tho sociologists toll us. A vibrant posture definite-
 

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ly contributes to this he-man attitude. Only men with great imaginations ané
inherent dreams of dominancy are able to build powerful physiques from fragilo,
weakly bodicss Men desire powor = physical powcr, mental power, social power-
and their motive in building bodies is to frocibly impress other mon with
their strength. Porsoneality. power and punch, plus porture thet dcmards
tention formiia fcr the go-eutting American business men.

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a January 20, 1938

PHYSICAL EDUCATION FOR HEALTH

"Body Building Sports - Swimming and Fencing"

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team and teacher in our department of Physical Education. Swimming has
become a very popular sport at the University. We also have Jim H. Raport,
instructor, who has popularized fencing to an unusual degree among both men
and women students. At first glance, perhaps, we do not think that there
is a great deal of similarity betwoen fencing and swimming, and I am going
to ask Herb and Jim to tell us their notions of the similarity between
these two sports. Herb, how would you compare swimming with fencing?

Well, Dre Allen, I would say that swimming compares with fencing first in
rhythm. The fencer lunges forward with his woapon to make a touch, while
the swimmer extends first one arm and then the other in gliding through
the water. Timing, of course, is important in both of these body building
sports. |

Yos, and we have the three weapons in fencing, the foil, the epee or duel-
ing sword, and the saber, while in swimming we have the three basic strokes,
which are the crawl, side and breast.

Another thing - relaxation is very important in both sports. The fencer is
relaxing all the time except when he is actually making a lunge; while the

swimmer emphasizes relaxation all the time with the exception of the final

stroke. Both fencing ond swimming are dependent upon tonic starts.

Well, these are interesting comparisons, and I am sure that most of us had
not thought of such likenesses between swimming and fencing. But you know
everything has a history, boys; suppose you give us @ little of the history
of swimming, Horb.e I imagine swimming started with the amoeba, didn't it?

I belicve your statement about the amoeba is correct, Dre Allon. Now,
jumping from the amoeba to the cave man, historical pageants usually por-
tray savego man first swimming by using a stroke which is related to tho
crawl in its simple fundamental coordinations. Professor James E. Dunlap,
archacologist of the University of Michigan, hes found considerable evi-
dence that swimming methods somewhat liko the modern ones were used 3000
years agoe I had the good fortune to visit the British Museum during the
summer of 1936, and in the famous Nimrond Gallery there is a bes-relicf
taken from the Palace of Nimrond, tho date of which is about 880 B.C. It
shows a fugitive escaping from a soldier by swimming 4 river with an over-
arm stroke. But getting back to the United States - do you know that Ben-
jamin Franklin was the leading aquatic instructor of the late 1700's? He
gave considerable instruction in swimming and he advocated the broast
stroke. From this broast stroke, English swimmers ievised the side overarm,
and in the later 90's the Cavill brothers from Australia introduced the
crawl. It is now called the Australian Crewl. And the crewl right now,
Dr. Allen, is the fastest swimming stroke on record. The time on the 100
yard dash in early 1900 was about 67 seconds. Champions are now swimming
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Herb, you have been coaching swimming for a number of years. Why do you con-
Sider swimming one of the important body=building sports?

Well, Dr. Allen, you know tho small boy says that "swimming is the only exor-
cise that loaves a fellow clean". The sensation of man gliding through water
is soothing to the nervous system. Many physicians consider swimming the
safest and most boneficial form of oxercise. The heart and lungs are favor-
ably situated, which lessons the danger of straining the heart, thus siding
in circulation. Tho position of the body in correct swimming is horizontal.

Yos, and Herb, lot's not overlook this very important point: President Frank-
lin D. Roosovelt has focused national attention on the Warm Springs, Georgia,
Foundation in his groat fight in overcoming tho devastating effects of in-
fantile paralysise Physicians have found that by immersing the pationt in
water the treatment of poliomyelitis, infantile paralysis is immeasurably
hastened. This treatment is one of the first aids in re-establishing the
nervous and muscular coordinations so necessary to the paticnt in regonor-
ating the nerve cells in tho antorior horns of tho spinal cord. The child
afflicted with infantile paralysis is able many timos to use his muscles in
water when unable to activate himself othorwise. Theso bodily movements in
water aid in regenerating nervous and musculer tissues.

We had a good oxample of that right here at the Univorsity of Kansas a fow
years ago, Dre Allens. Do you remember Harold Denton, the Summerfield Scholer
and president of the men's student council, who used to swim in our pool to aid
in his great fight against poliomyelitis? He also spent several summors at

the Warm Springs Foundations

Yes, I romember Harold very well. But we have been talking about the bene-
ficial aspect of swimming. Do you think swimming has a recreational value,
Herb?

Recreational aquatics is taking its place in the swimming world. It is
rather a new phase, but it includes fancy swimming and sculling, stunt and
comic diving, partner contests, group stunts, team games, tag games, mass
games, and so forthe .Tho swimming public is composed of human beings all
the way from one and two-year-olds up to men end women of 60 and 70 years
of Af0.

By the way, Horb, didn't Jim Raport swim on your varsity team here in 1935?
Yes, he did, Doctor, and he mado all-Big Six Conforence honor toame

Jim, you are a modest fellow, but you tell us about your ovent, and what your
time Was.

Well, Dr. Allon, my race was the 200 yard breast stroke. As to my time for
the event, I suppose you mean my best timo. Well, that was 2:49. at tho
beginning of the swimming season my time was 3:15, so you can readily sce
that work and plenty of it sliced off 26 seconds.

Well, that's fine, Jim. But you know they havo streamlined that stroke now,
and they call it the butterfly stroke, don't they, Herb? Tell us something
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This stroke is much different from the orthodox breast stroke, bocause in the
butterfly stroke the arms are brought out of tho water simultaneously, and in
the old stroke tho arms were always kept under water. The legs kick back and
together simultaneously in both strokes. There was much discussion among tho
coaches in the National Collogiate Athletic Association when this stroke first
came out whether or not it was ldgal, mt after some argument it was finally
declared lersal by this Association. The butterfly is much faster than the
orthodox broast stroke, but can be used for speod and exploitation only. At
the present timo it offers no practical value as a utility stroke.

Well, anyhow, I'll bet Jim fluttered just the same, whether he used the but-
terfly stroke or not, because he made the all-Big Six team. Jim, everything
is streamlined those days. ‘What is streamlined in fencing besides tho girls'
uniforms?

As you probably know, Dre Allen, I've originated a school of fencing which
I've termed The Functional or Recreational School of Fencing. I attempt to
toach tho student as much as ho will need to enjoy participation in actual
fencing, as quickly as possible. In other words, after 10 hours of instruc-
tion my students can enjoy actual combate In Burope the beginning student
never gets the foil until after about 3 hours of instruction and ho gets com~
petition only after a ycar's work.

These rapiers lock pretty dangerous to me, Jim. Thoy really look like
woaponse Is it all play with thoso things when the boys and girls take hold
of them?

Quite, Dr. Allen! There isn't any greater satisfaction than out-witting your
opponent and scoring a perfect touch. You know tho feeling Dr. Allen, when
you see your basketbell boys execute a play just as you've taught it to them
anc have it score a basket. I'll say it's play! Why, I cven enjoy foncing
with my elementary students. I romombor one of tho boys scored a touch on
me me and he acted as though he'd found a million dollars! Yes, D'artagnon
still lives at tho University of Kansas.

That's certainly most intoresting, Jim. But now let's got back to the old
countries for a moment. That is whore this duelling started, isn't it, and
it looks liko they are still at ite

Yes, they are still fighting ovor thero. But the beginning of fencing is a
little in doubt. Some claim Germany and scmc cleim Spain as the place whoro
the sport originated. They 211 agreo, though, that it bogan back in the
1400's. Its beginning isn't as important as tho foot that it rapidly spread
to Franco, Italy, Hungary, Argentine and nearly overy modern countrye

Jim, whom would you soy is the greatest fencer at the present time?

Woll, Dre Allon, ot the presont, the greatest fencor is Aldo Nadi, the lithe
Italian who has captivated tho Eastern states with his grace and spcod.

Now, let's got back to home ground. Let thom do their fussing and firhting
over there. We want to talk about body-building sports at the University of
Kansase Jim, will you enumerate some of the benefits of fencing?
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Fencing, like swimming and many other sports, is definitely physically bene-
ficial. Herb has already montioned some goneral benefits derived from swim-
ming which might easily be said of fencing. The grace and rhythm of muscular
effort, the finesse of accuracy and speod, are some of the physical advantages
of fencers. But a most important part of all our play in sports is not only
the physical, but also tho mental relaxation and onjoyment accruing to par-
ticipants in the game,

These are very importent points, Jims How long havo you been developing
fencing at the University of Kansas? I know overybody likes it, because our
gymnasium halls are lined with interested spectators watching your classcs
in foneing every afternoon. It's alluring. Maybe its the alluring co-eds,
Jim.

In 1935 Prof. Elbel and Dr. Naismith offcred me the opportunity of assisting
them in building the sport. With their aid and some of my own ideas I
coached the University of Kansas foncing team through to the first all-
victorious secsone My first class of students was a group which included
some of the Hill leaders, such as Clyde Nichols, Philip Renick, Lyman Field,
Tom Orr, and others.

Who are your best fencers now - or your "Three Musketeers"?

Well, Tom Orr, son of Dr. Te. G. Orr, of our own Medical School, is our Por-
thos; For Aramis, the second Musketoor, we have Kalman Oravetz, of Nowark,
New Jersey; and our Athos is Carlos de Janon, of Panama. All these boys are
members of the fencing team.

But don't you have any gcod women foncers? I notice lots of girls in your
fencing classose

Oh, yes! Incidentally, we have the largest group of women fencers we've ever
had, Tho three outstanding fencers among the womon are Miss Ernestine Swaf-
ford, a senior in tho School of Fine Arts, from Fort Scott; Miss Nellis Hurt-
gen, of Topeka, 2 freshman in Fine Arts; and Miss Nell Clark, from Troy,
Kansas, a sophomore in the College.

Herb, your sport is in the basemont of tho gymnasium, butI'll bet a lot of
splashing goes on down theree On tho varsity swimming toam who are the
stand-outs this year?

Woll, Dre Allon, we have 3 letter mon of 1937 to form the mucleus of the
squad: Wm. Gray and Proctor Ritchic, back strokers, and Vete Nowosinsko,
distance swimmer. Charles Stipp, divor and Paul Fishor, distance man, of
last year's team are also back. Tho now men out for the teem are Paul
White, divors; Harry Brown and Robort Beolor and Frank Wilson, broast
strokers. The dash men sre Wallis Campbell, Raymond Davidson, Alex Mitchell,
and Gene Feastor, ;

What's your outlook against compotition in tho Big Six, Herb?
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I'm not able to tell yet who will be the outstanding splashers among the new
men. The boys are working hard and the spirit is good. We don't expect to
win the Big Six, neither do we oxpect to finish at the bottom of the pool.
The season schedule will start on Fobruary 12, with the Nobraska swimmors
comming herce We havo throc home dual moets this yoar, and one dual meot
and the Big Six Conforence meet awaye

You do not have as fine 2 place for your boys to practice as your Big Six
competitors. You know, cur swimming pool was built in 1906- that makes it
32 yoars old now, and in addition, it is not reguletion size. It is vory
small, measuring only 20 by 50 fect. Its just a little pit down thoro, but
you have done exceptional work under the conditions, Herb.

Well, thank you, Herb and Jim for your very interesting discussion on bedly-
building sports, swimming and fencing. I om very sire that these young
people under your direction do get a lot of instructicn, put I also have a
pretty emphatic notion that thero is unalloyced fun thrown in with it.

But I seo our time is up, and we havo just time to hear the sports now from
Mount Oread by Nelson Sullivan, our sports anncunser. Let's hove it, Sully?

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RADIO PROGRAM
October 2l, 1997

PHYSICAL EDUCATION FOR HEALTH
"REFLECTIONS ON THE DANCE”
Tap Dance by Earnest Sanders - 1$ min.
Applause :
Dunkel imitating Allen - dance steps.

Sherbon-- Umm-m- Dr. Allen, you have the rhythm, but your fest just don't quite
follow.

Dr. Allen-Well, that's the very best that ITcandco, [ haven't developed my neurosrams
twoo deeply alone those paths you know, but I think the audience, should.
know that for the past minute and a half we have been listening to Farne st
Santers in a little jam session with "Stompin't-at the Savoy". A little
later on you'll get to hear Tildie Fowler, Both Tildie and Earnest. are
new at K.U. this year. Eamest dances for the pure love of dancing, and
you of the audience can expreciate the marvelous rhythm of his feet, but
its a sheme you cantt see his movement.

Sherbon - Rhythm and Movement - that's rractically 2 definition of dance, isn't it?
Elizabeth, how woulée you aefine cance?

Dunkel -- Yell, I sunpose if I were to give a cenersl definition, I would say that
dance is expressive - rhythmic - movement. But there are many forms of
dance. Fach mekes its @cfinite contribution. "te have just heard a tap
dance. Most tap Gancine simply embroicers interestin~ rhythmic patters on
the underlyine bect of: the music. Of course, tap is not the refined form
of dence which is used by the preatest creative ertists to cxpress an idea
or enotion, but its appeal is to the fundamental sense of rhythm which has
constantly expressed itself since primitive mon first started beating on
a drum. Other forms are folk dancing and the art ¢ance as performed on the
cone ert stage.

Sherbon-- In other words, tap and folk cance are popular, snc the concert dance rep-
resents the highest form of the dance as an exressive art.

Dr. Allen-Here you are, talking about tap dance, folk dance, concert dence, but where
does social dance fit into the scheme cf things? That is considered dancing
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Sherbon-- Well, of course, there are those who would debate thit noint, but it is a
good question. I consider sodial dance a nart of the folk form, because
folk dance ns always emerged from the mass of neonles It is comparative-
ly simple, not requiring great skill or dexterity to perform, and puts its
sreatest emphasis on fun and the social element.

Dunkel~- But we must not minimize the great contribution folk arts have made to the
fine arts. Folk forms have vreserved' the vitality ond the characteristics
of a people in spontaneous expression, In a way we might say they are more
reel than the more highly 4eveloned srt forms. Just as Americs is a melt-
ing pot of many nations and cultures, so cur folk dance or social dance
represents a blend of many influences.
Sherbon--Yould you say that our social dance tas suffered or profited by the
merging of these influenges?

Dunkel-- Personally I feel our social dance is a pretty sterile form as done now,

: and it is hardly sociel, It eertainly has lost the zest of the original
folk forms and the dignity of the aristoeratie dmce., In fact, I know of
a famous Cancer who compares our social dancing with the movements of an
amoeba, devoid of intelligence, arage, peauty, rhythm or design, and says
that a crowded ball room floor watehcd from a sound proof room would give
you much the same impression as the bumping and jerking thet you get from
a drop of dirty water seen through a mécroscope.

Sherbon- Well, after all, there is not much that you cm do to the music that we have
nowadays. The same mm seys - the music is such that no self-respecting
savage would make, it has no variety of rhythm, but merely a kick in the
solar plexis on the first bent of every measure. Blizabeth, is that what
you teach in your social dmce classes?

Dunkel-- Now, Alice, is that qiite fair? Youtre bringing that pretty close to home.
No, we are not trying to revolutionize the music, we do try to zet over
some ideals for beauty of »osition and line and some variety of steps that
will at least be competible with good taste.

Dr. Allen-I know that you could go on with social dnncine all evening, but I still
Have something else on my mind. I've been celling everything interpretive
Cancing and you've alwsys laughed at me. Now, you have mentioned so many
forms that I am mre ecnfused than ever. What I vant to know is there such
a thing as interpretive dancing?

Sherbon- Yes, there is such a thing as interpretive dencing. Thank goodness, you
don't call it fancy dancing! You see, in the concert field, several forms
have enjoyed popularity at different periods of cultural development. Uf

course, the first great flowering of dence as a fine art was the classical
ballet developed in France in the courts of the Louis' and later enriched
at the Russian court under imperial subsidy. The Russian ballet, which was
introduced to the world through Diaslieffs zrezt Monte Carlo ballet reached
heights that the dance had never known before. It produced such great
names as Nijinski, Pavlowa, and Karsavina. But just as the culture which
nourished the lavish snectacle of the ballet was supplanted by newer con-
cepts 5f social relationships, so new dance forms emerged as the expression
of these concepts.

Dunkel -- That's all very true, Alice, but elucidate a little further on Dr. Allen's
question.

Dr.Allen-Yes, that's exactly what I want to know.

Sherbon--That's just whet I'm coming to. Succeeding the ballet form ve find the def-
initely romentie interpretive school which put its emrhagis on self expres-
sionism m@ simplicity. This neriod was in turn supplanted by the practics!
realism and dynamic intensity of contemnorary social forces, from which
has evolved 2 new dance mvement - the so-called moder dance. The fallacy
of such 2 name is immediately appnrent when you consider that all of these
forms were modern at the time of their emersence. Modern music, modern
painting, and modern architecture reflect these same social forces. Be-
cause the modern dance is new and unfamiliar many »eople find it hard to
accept. Only the perspective of time can evaluate its intrinsic worth.
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Dr. Allen--Thanks a lot, Alice, Thet certainly clears that un for me. But T see
Tileie Fovler over there with her fidgety fect, ready to break into a
tap rhythm. Let's sive her « chanee.

Tildie Fowler- tap (dance.

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Dr. Allen--That's the acme of rhythm, Tildie. Thenk you very much. But setting
back to our disucssion = I gan appreciate your fine enthusiasm, but it cer-
tainly takes a grect teal mre than enthusiasm to produce such fine Tau
Sigma shows on the campus, co%esn't it, Miss Dunkel?

Dunk] --~ Yes, Indeed it does. It takes a completely unified Group imbued with a
Single purpose. Which brines to mind some ¢ramatic moments in cutting
on dance performances. The audiences is never aware of the many anusing
and sometimes painful situations that accompany every performence back
stage. One, for instance, that I shall never forget, occurred during a
recital thet Tau Sigma gave several years azo. My brother Jne was doing
an Incian dagger dmmce in which he had to throw a dagger into the floor
and dance around it. All went well in rehearsal until the last few days
before the performance when for some unaccountable reason, the dagger
always refused to stick. Insteae@ of cutting the floor with a nice clean
thwack, it went clattering ell over the pla@e with a hollow futility that
entirely ruined the dramatic effect of the @mce. Tos mnke 4 long story
short, not only Joe but the entire company Ceveloped a nhobia about thet
dagger, And the nisht of the »erformeance as it cume time for this dence
everyone who wns not echenging for the next number was massed in the wings
focusing on the snot where the dagger wes to be thrown. The music started.
Joe took his intmductory stens - and - the - dazeer + stuck! Immediately
back stage pentemoniun reigned, as relayed from line to line and back int?
the dressing rooms were the whisvers, "It stuck"! TI esulé@ not help being
mildly anxious myself m¢ showed my relicf with the rest of them. That
show croved to be one of the best thet welinve ever done, and I am con-
vineed tint thehazardof that dreeger ruinin: the performance welded that
group inte a unity of rurrose which mae it nossible for them to surnass
themselves, This certainly is comparable to the loyalty developed by a
team working together through a season, Haven't you ever been conscirus
of these forces during your exneriences in performances, Alice?

She rbon-- es, I certainly heve. Tense moment No. 1 still remains is a nightmare.
This hanpened during a verformance in New York last year. Theatricel pro-
erams in New York have a slapdash backstage management all their own, ane
if it were not for the rroup solicerity Aeveloved Auring long rehearsal
periocs together, many numbers would never -roject aeross the footlights.
It s0 haprened that the stage hands at this particular theatre were - well
~ intoxicated that nicht. Te also happened to be doing a number which
used platforms which hed to be fitted together in one particuler way, and
only thet way. We had snent hours in rehearsals ao that we could lean,
jump and run on and over these vletforms with out looking at our feet.

The staze-was set - we had put the pletforms 2n ourselves to be sure that
they were safe and retired to the wings to wait. The music started, when
to our horror we saw one of the stage hands readjusting the platforms to
suit himself. The curtains opened and there was nothing to do but start
the cance, each sirl possessed with but one thought - wheat if I should
fall; because you know, some reonle ean fall and pick daisies, and others
just - fall.
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Dunkel - Alice, you have me on the ede of my chair, but our time is up. Dr.
Allen, will you let us come *acx some other time 2nd finish our stories?

Dr. Allen-You certeinly my. We shall ali want to hesr mre of your many interest-
ing exreriences.

Dunkel -- It may be . far cry from dance to athletic teams, but I think the situat-
jons are comparable in dramatic moments. You haven't said one thing re-
garding your emotional high lights before eame or helf-time sessions.
What was your greatest? |

Dr. Allen-‘fell, that is another tough one for me to answer. IT have been askec that
39 many times - who were my greatest “layers an’ what was the sreatest
game situation? Shades of Tommy Johnson, Tus Ackerman, Al Peterson, Paul
Enéacott, Charlie Black, Ray Ebling and all the rest march before me.

But if I hed to choose one thrilling experience it would be the time that
Bill Johnson flew back from Oklahoma City immediately after his father's
funeral, to participate in the final ond championship game of the Big Six
here on Mount Oread. We were rlaying Oklahoma. Missouri and Kansas

State were playing at Manhattan. It was necessary for Kansas State to
beat Missouri, and Kansas te bert Oklahoma for Kansas to win an undisputed
title. No one exnected Bill Johnson to lay. Just before the referee's
rhistle to begin the play, this tall, lean boy emerged from nowhere, it
seemed, ani stroce down the eu@itorium floor! Bedlam broke loose? The
roof fairly blew off the aucitoriun. Pandemonium reigned! Men shrieked,
women wept. It was Bill Johnson! How eould he arrive for this game? Four
hundred miles avay awl less then five hundred minutes before this boy had
wired newspaper men that he would not be here. Bill Johnson's mother de-
cided the issue. She tolé him he shoul =. Tt was what his father would
want him to 2@o. ‘Yell, this is the answer. Kans:s State beat Missouri,
ami Kansas won . glorious victory and the Big Six chempionshin. The rest
of theyear Bill Johnsen was the bi zgest man on the Kansas campus. It was
not alone 2n account of his vlayine. Tt was hecause Bill Johnson was the
tyne of man that he wis ene is.
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October 14, 1937

PHYSICAL EDUCATION FOR HEALTH"
"Helen & Glenn Hit the Ball on Mount Oreed"

Dr. Allen--It is with pleasure that I introduce the personnel of the fireside chat
this evening. 'Miss Jeam Thomas, a junior at the University, is the women's
intramural sports editor, from Waterville, Kansas, Collaborating with her
is Bill Fitzgeralé, also a junior, sports editor cf the University Daily
Kansan, who hails from the same metropolis; and Nelson Sullivan, «nother
junior, our intramural sports announcer atop Mt. Oread, who announces
his domicle as Kansas City, Kansas, These 3 K.U. students will indulge
in a fireside chat, their disewssional subject being "Helen am Glenn
Hit the Ball on Mt. Oread in Intramural Sports."

Sullivan-- What do you mean, Dr. Allen, by "Helen and Glenn hitting the bell on
Mt, Oread"?

Dr. Allen- Well, Sully, this is not a figure of speech, but a literal expression,
meaning that there are hunireds of boys and girls at K.U. who indulge
in wholesome, recreative play every day just for the sheer fun and zest
of it. However, I would rather thet Jean Thoms tell you about the
women's intramurals, as she follows them very closely.

Thomas -- Well, Coach Allen, we have so many cirls on Mt. Oread in sports, about
400 in all, that it would be very difficult for me in this short time to
mention all of the outstanding women athletes. However, there are Betty
and Kay Stephenson, sisters from Kansas City, Mo., who play an excellent
game of .wolf.

Sullivan-- You will remember that they playec in the Kansas Open championship, and
only a couple of weeks ago they played ina mixed foursome on the Uni-
versity golf links with Glenn Oatman, of Lawrence, the Missouri Open
Champion ané captain of last year's varsity team, anc Ray Yatson, also
of the Kansas varsity golf tean.

Thomas -- It might be interesting for you to know who the intramural snorts mana-
gers are this year. Maxyne Woody, from Bernard, Kansas, is hockey mana-
ger; Mary K. Lattner, from Tulsa, is volley ball manager; and Denny Lenm-
oine, from Kansas City, Mo., is basketball manager. The swimming manager
is Jane Blaney, and the tennis manager is Irene Moll, of Lawrence. Lu-
cille Bottom, from Tampa, Fla., is manager of the minor sports. Dorethy
Willeuts, of Toneka, is Corbin Hall's »ride in sports. Catherine Ehrke,
is versétile in a number of sports. She comes to the University all the
way from the Renublic of argentine.

Fitzgeralad-- Yes, anc I have heard of a number of other outstanding girls, among whom
are Betty Heitman, from Kansas City; Jean Wilkens, from Abilene, Kansas;
and of course Ruth Baker, of Leho, Kansas, who is president of the
Women's Athletic Association.

Sulliven --Isn't Miss Ruth Hoover, of the physical education faculty, probably the
most outstanding woman athlete of 211?
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Thomas-- Yes! She is a marvelous swimmer, a great golfer, a good basketball and
tennis player, and a few years go she played on the All-American women's
hockey teame

Fitzgerald-Say, isn't Margaret Van Cleave, of Kansas City, one of your outstanding
athletes, too?

Thomas -- Yes, Margaret is a crack basketball player. Sho played with the Lorotta
Acadomy; you know. She is one of the new majors in the physical educa-
tion dcpartmcnte

Sullivan - She is from my home town. Isn't hor fathor on tho Athlotic Board of the
University, Dre Allon?

-Dr. Allen- You are dead right Sully. He is one of tho alumni membors.

Fitzgerald-Tom Van Cleave, dre, is one of the most enthusiastic intramural sports
followers that wo have here on Mt. Orcade

Thoma s-- Intramurals certainly are growing rapidly, aron't thoy, Dr. Allen? TI
would liko to know when intramurals were started and how they were do-
veloped here at the University of Kansas.

Dr. Allon- Intramurals, you know, Jean, really mcans "Within tho walls". That moans,
of course, when students lived in dormitories or romming houses thoy played
between the groups, in betwoon the dormitoriose That was really dormitory
playe You remember that intorcollogiate football started as an intramural
sport beck in 1869. The first intercollegiate football game in this coun-
try was played botween the Princeton and Rutgers teams at New Brunswick,
New Jersey, on November 6 of tho samo yecre

Sullivan-- Gee, that cortainly was a long times agode

Dr. Allon- Yes, but since mest of you students wore born just sbout the timo of the
World War, you will porhaps be intecrestod only in modorn history. I will
give you a bricf skotch of our intramural dovelopment here at the Univor-
sity of Kansase Dr. Glonn B. Patrick, now a practicing physician at Elk-
hart, Indiana, was our first men's intramural manager back in 1919. He
was followod in 1925 by John P. Sabo, now athlotic director et the Univer-
sity of Vermont. Ed Elbel, who is our intramural manager now, came to us
jn 1928. He is doing o fine job of it. With the coming of each of these
individuals the interest and scope of intramurals hes broadened and grown.

Fitzgerald-That cortainly is very jnteresting to mow the history and erowth of a
student activity that is not dependent upon the gate recoipts, but is just
indulged in for the sheer fun of the thing.

Thomas-- Bill, won't you tell us the names of sone of the outstanding men in intro-
murals at the University of Kansas this yoar?

Fitzgerald-We have some boys here in intramural sports of whom wo sre very proude
Among them are Bill McKinley, of Kansas City, Moe; Charles Wendstrand, of
Leavenworth, Kensas; and Jack Buckman, the all-American high school high
jumper from Argentine High School in Kansas City, Kenses. Thon there 1s
Robert Allon, « vorsatile athlete, from Brazil, Indiane; and Bill Bunsen
from Meriam, KansasSe
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And sey, Bill, don't forget Ted Kenny, from Wyandotte High School, Kansas
City, Kansas; and Frank Buek, 2 14-letter man from Ward High School in
Kansas City. Then there are William Beven, of Wichita, and Maurice Jack-
son, of Lawrenee,

Am I might mention Ralvh Miller, of Chanute, Howard Engleman and Kenneth
Messner, of Arkansas City also Rusty Frink of Lawrence and Bill Hogben of
Ke. C. Missouri.

And some others are 7, P. Hunter, Jre, 0f Oklahoma City, Aibert Simoncic,
and Kenneth Gire from Pittsburg, Kansas, ami Chick Barber, of Abilene,
Kansas.

I think intramurals are in for even greater things here at K.U. don't you,
Bill? There is hardly time to play the game from 4:%0 on, however, and zet
cressed in time for dinner, It takes 2 hours to start the game, finish

it, and then get back in time for dinner. Why couldn't we start classes at
8 o'clock in the morning, here on the Hill?

Oh, that's too earlyt

Well, your father and mine probably start to work every morning before
8 o'clock Bill.

Yes, I think all the parents, unless they are bankers or are retired, must
be on the job »t least by 8 o'clock, and a lot of our parents are on the
job from sunrise to sunset. You know this is an agricultural state, Bill.
They have had 8 o'clock classes here on the Hill before, haven't they,

Dr. Allen?

Certainly. They had 8 o'clock classes when I was in school way back in
1905. In the fall of 1914 the schedule was changed to 8:30 in the morning.
In 1917 and 1918 2 shit was made to 8 o'tclock classes, then in Dec. 1918
the 8:30 hour was resumed. The Lawrence public schools and the business
houses down town run on an 8 o'clock basis. That hour would make it
easier for everybody.

Well, we are just students here for only 4 years, we hope. So we might
just as well prepare ourselves for the business worlc, because they tell
me that stucents who graduate from college really have to go to work at
8 o*clock, so why not set used to it now.

The thing i'm getting st is the possibility of having this full 2 hours
in the afternoon for intramural play. It seems to me common sense. Just
like dayliecht saving tim. They do it in all the industrial metropolitan
cities, so that the worker may have some sustained leisure time of his
own. They also do it in colleges, Look at Stanford University - they
close all the doors at 4 o'clock, and from 4 to 6 they have some form of
recreative rlay for everybody. If Stanford students do it, thy not Ken-
sas students?

Yes, let me read a letter I just received this week from a student at
Stanford University. She says: "The cirls have to wear white tons, and
the fellows wear red and white caps. The girls have huge red and white
pompoms with streamers in the middle that we use in a lot of the cheers.
You cannot sit in the rooter's section without this equinment, and in-
stead of gripine about it, these neople think it is swell. Oo? course,
California is over-ballyhooed, but Stanford is 2 marvelous place, and it
has so much school spirit that it's a little overwhelming. The students
ell sit ina body at every game, and really make the noise",
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Sullivan --Yell, thet is certainly the ol¢€ school spirit, isn't it?

Fitzgeraléd--Yes, and I want to remimi you that we have a game eominge up here on
Saturday with Iowa State College - a Big Six ehampionship game.

Sulliven-- With all this intramural love of risy, why ean*t we have a school spirit
comparable to that of Stanford? ‘Ye ean, if we will.

Thomas -- ‘Ye could, if we would get together - sit together - cheer together -
put out our money for paraphernalia the way they do at Stanford and
other places.

Fitzgerald -Why don't we have a pep meeting on the Hill once in a while? As long
as I nave been here we have never had one hour given to a pep rally. At
Manhattan they have one full morning, but we wouldn't need that much
here. Give us one hour Friday morning in Hoch Autitorium and we'll have
some really honest-to-fcoodness enthusiastic sunport for the football team.

Sullivan --Can you visualize the boys on our varsity now who, when in high school,
had everybody busting a lunz for them? Do you remember those big assem-
blies just before the game? ‘Why can't we do that here?

Thomas-- Our boys must surely miss it here.

Sullivan-- Why woulcn't it be a good idea to break up the hours that are given over
to Hobo Day? That is one whole morning in the asgregate. If the ad-
ministration woule give us 3 or 4 hours broken up into one-hour periods,
ani these scattered throughout the year, I om very sure that there would
be a healthier attitude on the mart of the entire student bady, and the
faculty, toward a sane and sensible, yet a militant anc aggressive ath-
letic philosophy. .

Fitzgerald-Yell, I would cast my ballot for that.
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Thomas -- TI would certainly be strong for that, too.

Dr. Allen--Now you are really getting somewhere.

Sullivan-- I'll say. Think of this when the football team goes dow to the station
where there are only about 250 attending the rally. The band is down
there doing its stuff in fine fashion, but honestly, the only time the
rooters see the football players at a pep session is in the dark just
before they hop on the train. We never have one at home. It seems to
me as though we should give them a day light rally without interrupting
class schedules.

Fitzgerald- Well, why shouldn't you student leaders take this matter up with the
administration?

Sullivan --I think we should, and I'm going to see if something can't be done.

Thomas -- This is an intelligent am cooperative attitude. After all, you know it
is our football team.
 

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Dr. Allen -- Well, this’has been a very interesting discussion. It has been a

healthy one because you students have snoken out and emphatically de-

clared yourselves, both for better and improved intremural athletics,

as well as for a more intellizent and lceyal supnort of Kansas Athletic
teams. All of us know that we can 2o a lot better when peorle show us
thet they are interested in us.

I want to thank you, Jean, for your eontritution to this intramural fire-
side chat, and you too Bill Fitazereald, sports editor of the Daily Kan-
san, I thank you. By the way, Nelson Sullivan, you are on for a two-min-
ute announcement of the intramurel sports results on Mt. Oread. You tell
‘em.