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This stroke is much different from the orthodox breast stroke, bocause in the
butterfly stroke the arms are brought out of tho water simultaneously, and in
the old stroke tho arms were always kept under water. The legs kick back and
together simultaneously in both strokes. There was much discussion among tho
coaches in the National Collogiate Athletic Association when this stroke first
came out whether or not it was ldgal, mt after some argument it was finally
declared lersal by this Association. The butterfly is much faster than the
orthodox broast stroke, but can be used for speod and exploitation only. At
the present timo it offers no practical value as a utility stroke.

Well, anyhow, I'll bet Jim fluttered just the same, whether he used the but-
terfly stroke or not, because he made the all-Big Six team. Jim, everything
is streamlined those days. ‘What is streamlined in fencing besides tho girls'
uniforms?

As you probably know, Dre Allen, I've originated a school of fencing which
I've termed The Functional or Recreational School of Fencing. I attempt to
toach tho student as much as ho will need to enjoy participation in actual
fencing, as quickly as possible. In other words, after 10 hours of instruc-
tion my students can enjoy actual combate In Burope the beginning student
never gets the foil until after about 3 hours of instruction and ho gets com~
petition only after a ycar's work.

These rapiers lock pretty dangerous to me, Jim. Thoy really look like
woaponse Is it all play with thoso things when the boys and girls take hold
of them?

Quite, Dr. Allen! There isn't any greater satisfaction than out-witting your
opponent and scoring a perfect touch. You know tho feeling Dr. Allen, when
you see your basketbell boys execute a play just as you've taught it to them
anc have it score a basket. I'll say it's play! Why, I cven enjoy foncing
with my elementary students. I romombor one of tho boys scored a touch on
me me and he acted as though he'd found a million dollars! Yes, D'artagnon
still lives at tho University of Kansas.

That's certainly most intoresting, Jim. But now let's got back to the old
countries for a moment. That is whore this duelling started, isn't it, and
it looks liko they are still at ite

Yes, they are still fighting ovor thero. But the beginning of fencing is a
little in doubt. Some claim Germany and scmc cleim Spain as the place whoro
the sport originated. They 211 agreo, though, that it bogan back in the
1400's. Its beginning isn't as important as tho foot that it rapidly spread
to Franco, Italy, Hungary, Argentine and nearly overy modern countrye

Jim, whom would you soy is the greatest fencer at the present time?

Woll, Dre Allon, ot the presont, the greatest fencor is Aldo Nadi, the lithe
Italian who has captivated tho Eastern states with his grace and spcod.

Now, let's got back to home ground. Let thom do their fussing and firhting
over there. We want to talk about body-building sports at the University of
Kansase Jim, will you enumerate some of the benefits of fencing?