ofa

Thomas-- Yes! She is a marvelous swimmer, a great golfer, a good basketball and
tennis player, and a few years go she played on the All-American women's
hockey teame

Fitzgerald-Say, isn't Margaret Van Cleave, of Kansas City, one of your outstanding
athletes, too?

Thomas -- Yes, Margaret is a crack basketball player. Sho played with the Lorotta
Acadomy; you know. She is one of the new majors in the physical educa-
tion dcpartmcnte

Sullivan - She is from my home town. Isn't hor fathor on tho Athlotic Board of the
University, Dre Allon?

-Dr. Allen- You are dead right Sully. He is one of tho alumni membors.

Fitzgerald-Tom Van Cleave, dre, is one of the most enthusiastic intramural sports
followers that wo have here on Mt. Orcade

Thoma s-- Intramurals certainly are growing rapidly, aron't thoy, Dr. Allen? TI
would liko to know when intramurals were started and how they were do-
veloped here at the University of Kansas.

Dr. Allon- Intramurals, you know, Jean, really mcans "Within tho walls". That moans,
of course, when students lived in dormitories or romming houses thoy played
between the groups, in betwoon the dormitoriose That was really dormitory
playe You remember that intorcollogiate football started as an intramural
sport beck in 1869. The first intercollegiate football game in this coun-
try was played botween the Princeton and Rutgers teams at New Brunswick,
New Jersey, on November 6 of tho samo yecre

Sullivan-- Gee, that cortainly was a long times agode

Dr. Allon- Yes, but since mest of you students wore born just sbout the timo of the
World War, you will porhaps be intecrestod only in modorn history. I will
give you a bricf skotch of our intramural dovelopment here at the Univor-
sity of Kansase Dr. Glonn B. Patrick, now a practicing physician at Elk-
hart, Indiana, was our first men's intramural manager back in 1919. He
was followod in 1925 by John P. Sabo, now athlotic director et the Univer-
sity of Vermont. Ed Elbel, who is our intramural manager now, came to us
jn 1928. He is doing o fine job of it. With the coming of each of these
individuals the interest and scope of intramurals hes broadened and grown.

Fitzgerald-That cortainly is very jnteresting to mow the history and erowth of a
student activity that is not dependent upon the gate recoipts, but is just
indulged in for the sheer fun of the thing.

Thomas-- Bill, won't you tell us the names of sone of the outstanding men in intro-
murals at the University of Kansas this yoar?

Fitzgerald-We have some boys here in intramural sports of whom wo sre very proude
Among them are Bill McKinley, of Kansas City, Moe; Charles Wendstrand, of
Leavenworth, Kensas; and Jack Buckman, the all-American high school high
jumper from Argentine High School in Kansas City, Kenses. Thon there 1s
Robert Allon, « vorsatile athlete, from Brazil, Indiane; and Bill Bunsen
from Meriam, KansasSe