within

Allen --Well, Doctor, wo are not sure about that, but we aro definitely endeavoring

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to find oute By asking men of your caliber who ccrtainly know physical
education, anc then by doing a job analysis program, as Dean . W. Char-
ters would call it, wo are endeavoring to find ou from superintendents
and principals in the state of Kansas just what is needed for this
state. We are asking these questions and when the survey is comploted
we believe we will know.

Why do you ¢o to superintendents and principals and ask them? Why don't
you tell them? For instance, a year or so ago a man told mo- "I have
looked this thing over, spont 30 minutos studying the set-up." And I
returned, "I have spent 30 years studying this situation, and yet you
think you know more about it than I do."

Well, Dr. Naismith, you roally put me right on the grill, and I like
this. I don't moan that we are going to shape our course exactly like
all these fellows would suggest, but wo want to know what they think
are the necds for the schools of this state. They we are contacting
physical educators like Dr. Thomas Storey of Stanford, Dr. Jesse F.
Williams and Dr. Fritz Maroncy of Columbia University, Dre Je B. Nash
of New York University, Floyd Rowe who is an authority and has charge
of physical education for the public schools of Cleveland, Ohic, Dr.
Anderson of St. Louis, and thon of courso we are cooperating with our
cousins here in Kansas - Professor Le Pe Washburn of Kansas State Col-
lege, and Coffman of Washburn College, with a view of having an all-
round program that will fill tho needs of the high schools of the State
of Kansase

Doctor, you have mentioned a lot of mon, and very prominent men. Can you
toll mc this: In my oarly days almost every man who was a director of
physical cduceation was an M.D. Today there are only two of those you
mentioned who are M.D.'s, and they are old standbys. Now, why is it

> that physical education has gone from the medical profession to the ed-

ucational?

That is a vory excellent point, Dr. Naismith. The only answer that I
could give that seems logical would be that the mon with an M.D. dogree
can earn very much more than the professor of physical education. The
health program of the country has called the doctors of medicine, and
then, too, thore has been such an expansion of the physical education
program that the colleges have established a curriculum for physical
education majorse That curriculum calls for a study of the basic
sciences, and most of these physical education majors that are going
out now have passed satisfactorily courses in anatomy, physiology,
biology ond chemistry.s, Of course, it would be fine if they could have
a medical background, but that would require a much longer course than
a four-year college course.

Then you consider there is a trond backward to a study of the oporations
of the body, and that it is a nocessity that they understand part of the
human body in order to develop a ronl physical education programe