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Challenge, travel attracted national champs to debate
By MARLENE NORDMAN
Staff Writer
Many students, including the national debate champions, decide to debate because it's fun, it's a challenge and it offers an opportunity to travel.
Rowland and Cross said Friday that debating in college was much better than in high school.
University of Kansas debaters Robin Rowland and Frank Cross, Lawrence juniors, this year won first place for KU at the National Intercollegiate Debate Tournament in Boston. Rowland was eighth in individual ratings.
Rowland, a history and speech major, has debated three years each in high school and college. He said college debate puts more emphasis on analysis, rather than on fluent speaking.
Rowland said debate benefited him because the research he had done covered a lot of issues.
"OLEGLE DEBATE is a more ordered activity because you have good judgments. You people have who understand what's going on and then better because of that." Rowland said.
"I think more important is the discipline it gives you," he said. "The nature of competition, working to improve, forces discipline on your mind, and I think it sharpens your mind more than anything else."
Cross said the support from the administration had been great. He said he believed some students weren't aware of the debate program.
"ITHINK THERE are many people who don't know about it who debated in high school and don't realize that there is a debate program here." Cross said.
Donn Parson, director of forensics and debate coach, said he believed the program wasn't very well known because the KU team compared to some high school squads.
Parson said debate is open to anybody. "Usually they've had a little bit of background in high school debate. Not all of them. You can get a debater in college who's never debated in high school, but most of them have," he said.
SOME OF THE debaters have had limited experience. Person said because they were not very good at the debate.
A typical debater, according to Parson, is reasonably intelligent, enjoys arguing, is willing to work, enjoys competition and likes to have his ideas tested.
He said less than 10 per cent of the squad drops out of the program after getting involved. Most of those who do drop out, usually so do after the first week.
Parson said that KU has one of the strongest programs in the country, mostly because of the debaters. The national tournament is a good measure of a team's strength, he said, because it's the last team the debates compete in each year.
PARSON SAID KU had an excellent record because of the debaters' willingness to work and the administration's strong support. A tradition has been built, he said.
Parson said that people in debate had a variety of majors. A lot of them are pre-law students and some are speech communications students, he said.
"Debaters who come in to uphold that tradition and have." Parson said.
Parson said that the debate program wasn't publicized enough. A lot of the publicity is by word of mouth, he said, by high school students who visited KI.
STUDENTS INTERESTED in debate
wrote to KU will receive information
about the program, Parson said. The lack of
information would prevent the program
for the lack of more publicity, he said.
Bobby R. Patton, chairman of the department of speech and drama, said there wasn't a scholarship program offered at Endowment gift to the debate program.
One of the important aspects of college debate is the traveling.
Parson said, "If you're going to test your ideas you essentially do it by testing them against somebody else's from another school. So everybody travels."
SOME PEOPLE DON'T take debate in college, Parson said, because they fear it.
"I think part of it is the fear that you can mix grades and debate, which I don't think
is true." he said.
Some students don't debate because they don't like to work, he said.
"We have no requirements of how much you have to do," he said. "The debaters just kind of know how much you have to do. The harder you work, the more likely that you have results, win tournaments. It takes commitment, and I think that limits a bit."
Jones said applicants for the program had to take the SAT and ACT tests. About 550 applicants are selected nationally from the Navy and Marine Corps, he said.
Following that, the students enter one of the programs at KU, the University of Missouri, the University of Oklahoma, Auburn University, Purdue University, Alabama State University, the University of Texas or the University of Washington.
The students selected for NESEP must complete a summer preparatory course at the Naval Education and Training Center at Newport, R.I. The course, Jones said, is intended to reacquaint the students with such courses as calculus.
NESEP pays the students' tuition and
NEES, Jones, said and the students receive
a good education.
Naval education program to become national center
Two teams from KU went to nationalists this year. Besides Rowland and Cross, Phil Snow, Sugarland, Tex., senior, and Jim Prentice. Turon senior, participated.
"These fellows in NESEP," Jones said,
college, bachelor and art, the Navy.
The amount of time a debtor wants to put into his work varies. Paars said the longer he pays, the less money he will have.
THE AVERAGE NESEP student, Jones said, is 24 and male—although the KU program has one female student—is married and has two children, has an SAT score of 1,200 and has a score of 1,200 total points for the SAT and a 28 composite score for the ACT.
"this is the year the squad has done fantastic," Parson said. "Individual teams have done well. Winning the national tournament is a high honor obviously. Every other school in the country that has a debate team wanted to do it."
CROSS SAID THAT Snow and Prentice should be recognized as one of the top teams in the country. They were ranked in the top 16 teams in the nation on the basis of their total season record, and had a 5-3 record at the national tournament.
There are usually 18 to 27 teams in the debate program, Farson said, with two participants.
Of the 350 applicants, 50 have applied to KU. There are currently 36 students in KU's program, and all but one are engineering students.
Jones said NESEP was designed to give the best of the Navy a trained men another hand.
JONES SAID that, upon graduation, the student had to fulfill a five-year commission
The building will provide more than triple the display area of the old museum building. It will also provide the temperature and moisture control necessary to preserve many delicate works of art. Spooner had neither the space to display items on the walls nor accumulate facilities to control changes in temperature and moisture.
Capt. Ray Jones, commanding officer of KU's Naval ROTC unit, said last week that which used to involve 25 schools, was consigned for easier administration earlier this year.
Parson said that this year had been the basis in KU's debate history and that the debate was on its own.
HE SAID THE students came with a variety of backgrounds and were excellent students. The School of Engineering, he said, never loses NSEEP students because of scholastic problems. If they do lose them, it is usually because of marital problems.
He said this fact was noteworthy, considering that the students had to take 19 or 20 hours of ROTC courses in addition to the engineering requirements.
The new Helen Foresman Spencer Museum of Art will soon become the home for the madonna and the rest of the University art collection.
The Naval Enlisted Scientific Education Program (NSEEP) at the University of Kansas has been chosen to be one of eight consolidated centers by the U. Navy.
THE UNIVERSITY receives no special subsidy for NESEP, Jones said, but KU is benefited by the Navy providing intelligent systems that will probably become faithful KU alum.
Donald Metzler, associate dean of the School of Engineering, said many of the NESEP students were among the top engineering students.
Jones said that he wouldn't be surprised if the KU applicants were terrified because they would have only one week following the end of their summer preparatory course to settle in with their families and begin classes at KU.
The wooden madonna doesn't stand alone. She is joined by thousands of other works of art tucked away in storage areas in Spooner Hall and Spencer, waiting for the day when the museum has adequate space and a suitable place to display them.
"A long time ago, we decided that the NESEP program was doing a fine job and we began to accept any applications we knew they'd be good students," he said.
In a dark storage room in the Spencer Research Library stands a beautiful lady, slender and erect, holding her child. She has stood there for years, part of the University of Kansas Museum of Art collection not on public display.
$^{1}$ suspect that many of the NESEP students will have more hours than the bare minimum.
THE NEW MUSEUM will have 28,000 square feet of display area compared with 8,000 in the old building, according to David Curtay, assistant to the director of the art museum. The 500 objects to be displayed instead of the 500 currently displayed in Spooner.
There are about 20,000 objects in the museum collection, but many of them can't be put on permanent display because they are sensitive to light and air. These will be in storage at the new museum and be out occasionally for display, Curry said.
The day isn't far away.
New museum will free captive art
Baldwin hound out-scores pack in pointing contest
An interest in hunting dogs and dog pointing field-trials resulted in a Baldwin couple's pointer winning a title in the All-American Quail Championships recently.
Miss Warsmoke is a female, white-and liver-colored pointer owned by Elizabeth and Donald McKillip. Route 3. The four-mile route takes you through dog pointing, in Crab Orchid. III.
McKillip said in field-trials, the dog was a game bird while the owner followed him. When the dog sees the bird the dog points and must hold the position. The judging concentrates on the dog's actions.
Mrs. McKillip said yesterday she and her husband decided to participate in field-trials because of their interest in hunting dogs.
A blank pistol is shot to signal the dog to continue hunting.
The amount of time a dog hunts in competition depends on its age, she said. The puppy hats, for one-year-old dogs, is 30 minutes. The Derby stakes, for dogs up to 5 years, is an hour. The all-age stakes, for dogs more than two-and-a-half years, is 90 minutes.
McKillip said her dog was extremely fast. "We need a fast horse to keep up," she said.
Miss Warnsmoke came from Conway, Ark., when she was two months old.
McKillip said Miss Warsmoke had also
recently won the All-Age stakes at Rend Lake, Ill.
Part of a dog's talent comes from its breeding. McKillin said.
In the winter, McKillip explained, the dog competes in southern states. During the spring, the dog participates in the Midwest and competes in the dog would participate in Canada in July.
"They are bred to be fast running. We were fortunate to find a dog who was developed into a fine good line of field-trial dogs, a lot of winners."
McKillip said Miss Warmsko first took part in trials at the age of 10 months.
She said that she and her husband enjoyed the sport because they enjoyed horses, the animals.
"It doesn't destroy wildlife and the children can go along and ride their horses."
Miss Warsmoke has four one-year-old puppies. McKillip said the two larger male puppies participated in trials this past winter.
She said they planned to continue participating in the sport because living on a farm provided a nice area for the dogs to train.
"We hope to continue it," she said.
"They've become like part of the family."
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