2 Friday, April 16, 1976 University Daily Kausan Abortion controversy . . . From page one control. Yet that's exactly how it's being used." Kearns recently asked the House Public Health and Welfare Committee to prohibit the use of state and federal funds to pay for abortions. In fiscal year 1975, $262,016.50 was spent on abortions by the State of Illinois. The estimate for the fiscal 1976 is $833,777.82. "There are a number of people." Kearns said, "including myself, who feel that this might be undesirable and perhaps not a permissible use of public funds." "THE HEADLONG attacks fail," he said. "It's a matter of loftiness." But Kearns said he isn't as concerned with preventing federal and state-funded abortions as he is with stopping legalized abortion itself. **earn's** data on state aid to abortions supplied by the Department of Social and Rehabilitation Services (SRS), include both induced (intentional) and spontaneous (accidental or unintentional) abortions. The record for each is provided for induced abortions. They say records on whether the abortion was induced or was spontanea aren't kept. legalized abortion, would have the same difficulty determining the amount of time and money used by KU. The dean of women's office doesn't keep records of how many women (and men) in the office counsels about abortion, says Lerna Grunz, assistant director of financial aid, the amount of financial aid given to pregnant women aren't kent either, she said. "WE TREAT this in as confidential a manner as is humanly good," Grunz said. "Many times we don't even know the student's name." During the counseling process, Grunz said, counselor and client become emotionally attached. Reasons given for wanting abortions vary, depending on the individual, she said. Those reasons include difficulties, financial difficulties, she said. Grunz said the dean of women's office makes available names of hospitals, the costs, types of abortions performed, plus emotional support. Counseling encompasses all areas of help she said—psychiatric, ethical, medical and legal. (to have an abortion) be available to people who want to make it. A woman who has plenty of money can go to a physician and have this care. It has always been true that people with money could always purchase safe abortions," she said. GRUNZ SAID the withdrawal of federal and state funding of abortions would pose a threat to abortion access. PRICES AT the Med Center for abortions start at about $50 for a menstrual extraction (a type of abortion done in the very early days) and starts at about $100, depending on the age of the fetus and the method of abortion performed, Glenn Haswell, Med Center staff gynecologist and obstetrician, said. Abortions will be performed until the 22nd week of pregnancy, he "So when we're talking about public money, we're talking about women who pay the bills." Grunz said one reason often given for anwinging an abortion is the financial imimulation. Hawell has been at the Med Center since 1980, when he was an intern. Then, abor- ginally, he went to the University of Texas. Hawell remembers cases of "girls roaring into the emergency rooms with rubber catheters stuck in their uteruses and clumsy being filled of cotton by some downtown... "GIRLS WHO would put coat-hangers in their own activities to do it themselves. "And the girl who had her abortion done did not pay any attention to sterilization procedures." "That's the kind of situation we no longer see," he said. BUT HASWELL says he is in an 'ambivalence situation.' Haswell delivers a sermon about ambivalence. Hawass attribues the drop in the com- fort of newborns and abortions to the legalization of abortion "I've done abortions," he said. "But it is difficult to deliver a child, and then I have to do everything else." "It would be difficult for me in the position I'm in to deal very effectively with the abortion problem because my area of responsibility is the management of high-risk pregnancies. "I'm killing myself to get babies here. And it seems rather ambivalent to kill myself to save a good baby for a mama who wants that child, and turn around and go Kearns, in us sideways attack on it is entirely appropriate that the choice yahoo downtown. Hawell, like Kearns, criticizes those women who, he says, use abortion as an option. (AP) take care of someone who wants a pregnancy terminated." to themselves," he said. "They simply use abortion or menstrual extraction as a means of meeting an immediate end—and then assume no further responsibility. 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