6 Tuesday, February 17, 1976 University Daily Kansan Educators question paddle's value By ANITA SHELTON Corporal punishment by schools and parents is still a controversial and complex issue, some University of Kansas faculty members and Lawrence school principals Debate on the pros and cons of physical discipline has been renewed since the October 1975 Supreme Court ruling that students were required to corporal punishment to discipline students. Lelon Cappus, associate dean of education, and yesterday that he thought the rulings of the state were wrong. "How the law is enforced is where the problems are." Capps said. What should be achieved by the law is justice, Capps said. If children act like criminals they should be disciplined as criminals, he said. "I THINK THE IDEA generally, though, that no one should have to use it," Capps said. "There may be a rare case or two where the IDEA is generally. I don't think it's very effective." Ceps said much depended on the relationship between the teacher and child or parent and child. He said that physical punishment is not effective on the parent and the child would still believe that the parent loved him. If the relationship between a teacher and a child isn't strong, physical punishment may make the child less aware that the teacher doesn't like or love him, he said. Margaret Schadler, associate professor of psychology, said it would be helpful if teachers knew the method of discipline used by the parents. A teacher's use of spankings or isolation can hurt the relationship between a teacher and child if that method of punishment isn't used at home, Schadler said. She said the issue of child punishment was very complex. "WE KNOW THAT a lot of physical discipline tends to be bad," she said, "and is correlated with aggressiveness. Punish it." So why do you choose choice and know what the choice is?" Schadler gave the example of a child who misbehaves to get attention. If the child has no other way of gaining attention the child is likely to misbehave even when punished, she said. In all cases, the circumstances and alternatives should be considered, Schadier said. Spanking may be better than such punishment, she said, depending on the circumstances. Bill Hopkins, professor of human development and family life, said that physical discipline could be helpful when used under very precise conditions. "TOUBT that it it's used that precisely in schools, though." Hookins said. Nancy Hughes, Golden, Colo., graduate student in the School of Social Welfare, said that child welfare was less concerned with discipline than with abuses. KU's future . . . Sankel said a proposal for tuition and fee waivers for graduate student teaching assistants would again be presented to the College. Regents for approval, as it was last year. From page one Shankel said he hoped people who interviewed for faculty positions at the University were being given a realistic assessment of their chances for tenure. "PROMOTION and tenure are harder to get here now," he said, "so those tenured He said that tenure for new faculty members, although extremely difficult to get, would always be given to "the very best" to keep them at KU. Research assistants aren't included in the proposal because of what he called "political expediency." Salaries for research assistants are more variable, he said, and so would make approval of the proposal more difficult. Shankel said if support could be mustered from the other five regents institutions for similar programs, the proposal would have a better chance of being passed. Responding to a question by Ed Rolfs, student body president, about the status of an investigation into possible violations of TITLE 1X of the 1972 Education Amendments Act, Shankle said alleged violations were widespread in faculty and staff members and students. A similar investigatory committee has been established at the KU Medical Center, be These committees will eventually make recommendations, which will be forwarded to an executive steering committee composed of Mike Davis, University counsel; David W. Robinson, acting vice chancellor for the Med Center, and Shankel. The recommendations will eventually be sent to Dykes for approval. He said compliance time for those organizations in violation of Title IX "in athletics, there is a period of time allowed to make adjustments," Shankel said. "In most other areas, if there are any changes, you have to be made as rapidly as possible." 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