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University Daily Kansan
Tuesday, Sent. 25, 1964
By Steve Clark
The Big Eight non-conference season openers brought a couple of surprises.
Oklahoma, which in the past three years has slipped from its national football reputation, defeated an always-powerful Syracuse squad 7-3, and Iowa State, which was billed as the Big Eight's "Cinderella" turned into a pumpkin losing to Oregon State 39-35.
THE CYCLONES barely slipped by Drake 14-7, the previous week and it appears that their football machine is far from being what it was built up to be.
This prognosticator correctly picked five of eight winners for a not too good .625 average. With many pre-season questions answered, here goes with a perfect slate.
KANSAS OVER BOSTON: This game for the Jayhawkers is a final scrimmage session before they open Big Eight play against Colorado here Oct. 6. Boston suffered a 27-23 loss to Buffalo, a team not rated among the nation's best. KU's defense looked good last week, but offense needs polishing. Offense will be polished. KU by five touchdowns or more.
OKLAHOMA OVER NOTRE DAME: The Sooners are always tough at Norman. The Irish lost 22 lettermen to graduation, however 17 lettermen return. Fullback and quarterback are strong positions
KU Attitude Bad for BU
Kansas football coach Jack Mitchell was displeased yesterday with his squaud's attitude toward Saturday's game at Boston University.
The KU coach said the Jayhawkers were "going to be the biggest bumpkins in college football" if their attitude toward Boston did not improve.
"The general squad attitude as far as taking Boston seriously is the worst for a Monday that I have ever seen. You can't wait until Friday to try to get ready for a ball game." Mitchell said.
The Jayhawker squad worked out in sweat clothes yesterday afternoon, primarily on defense practicing against BU's lonesome end formation.
"We're in good physical condition," Mitchell added. "Nobody got hurt against TCU. Our morale is good for just having a tough loss."
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Mike Lind, a 200-pound fullback is an All-America prospect. Line is weak, especially at tackle. The Sooners rushed for 243 yards against Syracuse. They appear to be a strong ground team as always. Oklahoma, by one touchdown.
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MISSOURI OVER MINESOTA: Johnny Roland and his fellow Missouri Tigers should handle the Gophers. R & Co. racked up 381 rushing yards against California while holding the Bears to 41 yards. Gopher coach Murray Warmath says this about his team: "We have more holes to fill than any time since I came to Minnesota, having lost our starters at quarterback, both ends, both guards, left-halfback, fullback and our offensive center." Missouri by two touchdowns.
KANSAS STATE OVER COLORADO: The Wildcats, always one of our favorite teams, travels to Boulder to meet a depleted Buffalo squad. Both teams lost Saturday: Kansas State 0-21 to Indiana and Colorado 21-37 to Utah. The sign of the Sunflower sways us on this one. Kansas State by a touchdown.
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NEBRASKA OVER MICHIGAN:
This is the Big Eight's weekend against Big Ten opposition. Coach Bump Elliott at Michigan has been playing "What's My Line — and Backfield?" He has a good quarterback, senior Dave Glinka who has handled the chore since his sophomore year, but Elliott needs more than a quarterback. Nebraska defeated South Dakota last week by more than six touchdowns, so we will stick by them, just one touchdown this time however.
Iowa State and Oklahoma State are idle this Saturday. That's good. After last week's losses, they need practice.
Long Count In Effect For Tonight's Fight
CHICAGO — (UPI) — Chairman Joseph Triner of the Illinois State Athletic Commission has announced a "long count" for the Floyd Patterson-Sonny Liston heavyweight title fight tonight.
And that tricky count could be the cause of a hassel reminiscent of the historic Gene Tunney-Jack Dempsey "Long-Count" controversy, which exploded in Chicago 35 years ago.
TRINER'S ANNOUNCEMENT dealt with what happens if either champion Patterson or challenger Liston is belted out of the ring and off the ring-apron into the press seats.
The fact that the ousted fighter must climb back into the ring within 20 seconds or be counted out is not exactly new. But the following commission edict is brand new:
Thus, the referees for tonight's scheduled 15 round fight—under the terrific tensions associated with this $7.000,000 classic—now has two mandatory counts to be fuddle him—an eight-count in case of a knockdown inside the ring and an 18-count for an off-the-ring-apron flight.
If the ousted boxer climbs back into the ring before the count reaches 18, he must take a mandatory count on his feet until the count does reach 18.
Many referees have difficulty remembering what to do with the simple eight-counter, which never was used in a title fight until Patterson's manager, Cus D'Amato, insisted upon it for Floyd's third championship bout with Ingemar Johansson at Miami Beach, March 13, 1961.
IN OTHER WORDS, if he returns quickly to the ring, at "8" or "9" for example, he must take an additional "10" or "9" before his opponent can get at him again.
TONIGHTS FIGHT, which New York state refused to permit within its boundaries, was ready-made for a big controversy—without the addition of the mandatory counts — because of Liston's unsavory background and the reports of heavy betting throughout the country. Sonny is favored at $7 \frac{1}{2}$ to 5.
The situation was somewhat similar back in 1927 when champion Tunney and ex-champion Dempsey met at Soldier's Field, Chicago, on Sept. 22, before 104,943 fans in their return 10-round fight.
On that somewhat chilly night, tawny-haired, Shakespeare-reading Gene — the former U.S. Marine — and black-haired, scowling Dempsey — the former hobo — drew what still is the ring's richest live gate of $2,658,660.
TUNNEY KEPT his title on a unanimous decision after weathering a long-count of at least 14 seconds, instead of the official 10, in the seventh round.
Tunney received $990,000—still the all-time biggest purse. Dempsey's share was $447,500. But Dempsey says today that his greatest reward that night was the fact he became a national "martyr" as victim of the long-count.
"That long count was the greatest thing that ever happened to me," Dempsey explains. "It made me millions of friends and sympathizers."
AS TIME WENT on, however, it became apparent that the real victim that night was Dave (Long-Count) Barry of Chicago, who received a $1,000 fee for refereeing. The former lightweight boxer spent his remaining days defending his seventh-round actions that night.
Barry's explanation through the years was that he had no knowledge he was to be picked as referee for the Tunney-Dempsey fight by the
Illinois State Athletic Commission. He and other referees were called to commission headquarters on the afternoon of the fight, he explained, and there they were instructed on the rules and two brand new rule changes.
Those rule changes, he said provided that the fighter who scores a knockdown must retire to the farthest neutral corner before the referee starts counting, and that the timekeeper "shall cease counting until the fighter retires to the corner."
TUNNEY, WHO HAD outpointed Dempsey for the crown at Philadelphia the previous year, Sept. 23, 1926, was again winning at Chicago —despite Dempsey's improvement—until Dempsey suddenly staggered him with a left hook and then battered him to the canvas in the seventh round. Tunney lay on his side with one hand clutching the lower ring-rope.
Dempsey stood over the prostrate Tunney until Barry forced him to a neutral corner. Then Barry began to count but he did not pick up the count of knockdown timekeeper Paul Beeler. Barry said he counted "one" as Beeler was counting "four." Gene rose to his feet at Barry's "10" and Beeler's "14." Later Beeler said he was counting "17" when Barry reached "10."
Leo P. Flynn, Dempsey's manager at the time, charged there was nothing in the Illinois rule calling for a neutral corner nor for the referee to delay counting until the man on his feet had gone to a corner.
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