for," court we be an misst." about studentsing at were isudentat sit Photo By Laird M. Wilcox PICKETS FOR PEACE—Above are three of the Student Peace Union members who picketed a meeting of the Air Force Reserve Officers Training Corps in the Kansas Union Saturday. SPU Demonstrates At Area ROTC Meet By Tom Coffman "It has never been tried! How do you know it won't work?" a picketeer argued. Both arms were outstretched for emphasis, one hand holding a placard reading, "This is a University, Not a Military Installation." "Your utopia has been dreamed about," answered the other student, wagging a finger in the picketeer's face, "but it won't ever happen." He shook his head vigorously. "Man is basically mean and selfish and all the dreamers of the world won't change that," he said. THEY STOOD in the lobby of the Kansas Union Saturday afternoon, talking loudly over the blare of the Kansas-Oklahoma football game broadcast. A dozen members of the Student Peace Union (SPU), had gathered to picket a regional meeting of the Arnold Air Society, an honorary branch of Air Force Reserve Officers Training Corps (AFROTC). Khaki-uniformed AFROTC cadet men and Air Angels (women's branch of Arnold Air Society) in blue uniforms with white neck scarves walked through the Kansas Union lobby. check seat vs walk seat Some stopped to chat with the SPU picketeers. Others argued. Most walked on by, either casting side-long glances at the SPU members or seeming not to notice them at all. "TOO BAD they can't be realistic," commented Bob Tiezen, McPherson senior and area commander of Arnold Air Society. McPhelson senior and area commin员 "I think I'm doing more for world peace by supporting the Air Force than these people are if they carry signs for the rest of their damned lives. GRADE SCHOOL teachers, assembled for a "Kansas Reading Conference," strolled through the lobby. Large groups of Girl Scouts—there for a tour of KU-bustled past in green and white uniforms. "Some of the boys in the picket line don't seem too upstanding, to me," commented Mrs. Harold Brown, first grade teacher from Abilene, Kan. "They look sort of seedy," Mrs. Brown said. "I suspect they are the kind who would picket for anything." "WHAT'S IT ALL about?" twittered a 12-year-old Girl Scout. "Isn't this all fun!" she exclaimed. "Do you think they're right?" she asked a friend. A Girl Scout master from Topeka, Mrs. Joseph Satten, said: "I think it is fine that these boys have the right to picket." The SPU picketeers took a break about 2:30 p.m. Relaxing in the Prairie Room of the Union, Carl Bangs, Prairie Village sophomore and president of the SPU, said most of the AFROTC were either amused by the picket or hostile to it. "Some of them (AFROTC) are very reasonable, though," the SPU president added. "They stopped and talked over our stand on anti-militarism. Ken Horwege, St. Francis senior and a squadron executive officer in Arnold Air Society, was standing in the lobby chatting with fellow cadets. Bangs—the SPU president-approached them carrying a sign and smiling. "We are opposed to all kinds of militarism." "IWOULD advise you not to stand by me," the uniformed Horwege said, motioning Bangs away. "Come on, let's have our pictures taken together." Bangs joked. Come on, let's pick up these men again! After the AFROTC men and women left, the picketeers stowed their placards and walked to a near-by tavern to re-hash the day's events. The Aronold Air Society meeting ended about 4 p.m. Daily hansan 61st Year, No. 27 The dead are; J. O. (Joe) Gunnels, 77, a KU graduate and former state representative and senator in the Kansas legislature, the pilot. Catholic Conservative Leader Calls Council Aides Informers LAWRENCE, KANSAS Monday, Oct. 21, 1963 Two KU alumni were among four Colby, Kan., residents who died Saturday in a plane crash one-half mile from the airport at Norman, Olda. it specifically asked by the presi- JOHN W. WOLFE JR., 30, a 1955 KU graduate and member of the KU basketball team. He was an assistant football coach at KU and handled the freshman squad prior to going to Colby in 1959. VATICAN CITY—(UPI)—Alfredo Cardinal Ottaviano, the leader of Catholic church conservatives, today touched off a clash in the Ecumenical Council by charging "experts" with breaking the rules. The experts are specially-appointed aides in the council. They are to advise the council fathers on the various subjects, but do not themselves speak or vote. Ottaviani, the 72-year-old head of the Congregation of the Holy Office, told the gathering that three of the more than 300 council "experts" were passing out to bishops certain documents in favor of a proposal on married deacons that has been under discussion. THE NEARLY-BLIND Roman baker's son, as the leading church conservative, played a "heavy" role in the first council session last year. But this is the first time he has spoken during the second session. Jeff D. Young, 40, an oil distributor and University of Oklahoma graduate. Keane Young, son of Jeff. Keane was a sophomore at Colby Community High School. According to council sources, Ottaviani's remarks "were not well received." They added that in direct reply to the Roman cardinal's charges, a following speaker addressed himself to the "dear experts"—an unusual if not unheard of move. The speaker was not identified. Gunnels, who was an avid KU fan, flew to almost all of the KU games. He is survived by his wife Joan and a son. The plane crashed one-half mile from Max Westheimer Field, in Norman, trapping all four persons as it burned. Air Crash Kills TwoKUAlumni YOUNG IS SURVIVED by his wife Gwent, a daughter Virginia and a son Parker, a KU sophomore. burned. A grass fire ignited by the heat burned over 40 acres of land beside U.S.77 within view of KU-Okla-homa football fans driving toward Owen Field to see the game. dency of the council, they may speak. COUNCIL SOURCES did not identify the three experts charged by Ottaviani but specified that they were not American. Ottaviani, who as head of the holy office and top member of the Roman curia held tremendous sway in the church, created a stir in the first council session when he became angry and walked out. While speaking in Latin during the debate he ran over the 10-minute limit and was cut off by the council presidency. A number of council fathers applauded the move and Ottaviani's abruptly left the council hall, not to return for several weeks. After his remarks on the experts, Ottaviani suggested that instead of a married diaconate as proposed by the draft under discussion, more use should be made of acolytes. Acolytes are lay helpers during the mass, such as altar boys. ACCORDING TO a reliable council source, the majority of bishops "did not take this seriously." Another speaker today was Chicago's Albert Cardinal Meyer, who said that the draft on the role of laymen in the church "loses sight of the important fact that first of all we are all sinners and ven after baptism we suffer from moral weakness. "The schema," he added, "should not speak only of the privilege of the people of God" but should emphasize that the Roman Catholic Church "is a home for the weak and struggling." This idea as presented by Meyer undoubtedly would be welcomed by Protestants. The regents again discussed legislative action to make possible the needed hike in pay. During their meeting in June, the regents voted to ask the legislature for funds to increase faculty salaries at schools throughout the state. This action is expected to come before the legislature in January. Regents Talk Over Faculty Pay Hike Higher salaries for KU faculty members was the subject of the Kansas Board of Regents meeting Friday in Topeka. Wichita University was asked to "hold the line" on salary increases, since they now have the highest pay average of the state universities and colleges. Other action at the regents meeting concerned the Wichita University annual budget of $4.6 million, which the board tentatively approved and a coordination program between state universities and colleges, which the board approved. (See related story on page five.) Earlier, the council fathers heard an eloquent plea from a native African bishop against colonialism under the guise of religion. ARCHIBISHOP Raymond Teich-dimbro of Conakry, Guinea, told the fathers, "We want only one thing, the pure Gospel. We do not want to be colonists of anyone but Christ." The African archbishop protested religious colonialism during a debate on the place of the layman in the Catholic Church. He indicated that international Catholic organizations often feel the necessity to try to dominate native laymen working for the Church in missionary lands The debate followed the first of a series of votes on reforms of the breviary, the book from which priests say their required daily prayers. UP Slate Picked For ASC Voting University Party announced 20 candidates last night for seats on the All Student Council. CHARLES MARVIN, Lawrence senior, and UP co-chairman, said the only competitive primary will be in the freshman women's district, from which UP will run three candidates in the general election. Three women are now running from the district, but Marvin said several more will probably be added later for the primary. Marvin said the party's platform may be approved this week by the general assembly, which will meet at 7:30 p.m. Wednesday in the Kansas Union. Candidates for UP and their districts are Cathy Colman, Wichita; Terry Beach, Hays, and Jill Kleinberg, Lawrence, all freshmen; Ray Germonprez, Topea sophomore, small men's residence hall; Fred Hoffman, Topea senior, and Carl Lindquist, Prairie Village junior; Gregory Swartz, Overland Park senior; John Simmons, Hoisington freshman and Craig Twyman, Kansas City sophomore, large men's residence halls. KAY WHITTAKER, Lawrence sophomore; Sharon Anderson, Topeka junior, and Nancy Lane, Hoisington senior, women's residence halls. Bob Ritter, Kirkwood, Mo., junior, and Bob Stewart, Bartlesville, Okla., junior, fraternities; Jane Lefebvre, Prairie Village junior, sororities; Bill Panning, Elinwood junior, professional fraternities and co-operatives. Chuck Marvin, Lawrence senior, and Vinay Kothari, Bombay, India senior, unmarried and unorganized; Mike McDowell, Great Bend junior, married students; and Jeanette Jeffrey, Topeka sophomore, small women's residence halls. Talkathon Continues Record Pace; Total Reaches 144 Hours Sunday Talk, talk, talk and more talk. Much of it about nothing and a little of it about just anything. The "talk-athon" between Margaret Hashinger and Joseph R. Pearson (folo) residence halls goes on. The talkathon reached it sixth day at 1 p.m. Sunday, (144 hours). The talkers were attempting to better the national record claimed by Lewis and Templin Halls of 421 hours and 52 minutes set in December, 1961. "The DORM LIFE has picked up quite a bit. You can almost hear the buzz of excitement around here," said A. Lee Cohlmia, Wichita senior and JRP social chairman. Cohlmia is credited with originating the idea for the record attempt as a means to encourage Hashinger and JRP spirit, featured a film of the event on last "They told me that they're going to investigate the possibilities of cutting into the conversation on their Friday 9 p.m. to midnight broadcast." Miss Phipps said. "I have received no definite confirmation of their plans yet." Topeka television station WIBW Weather Judy Phipps, Wichita junior and Hashinger social chairman, said that she has been contacted by radio station KUOK. Partly cloudy skies are forecast for tonight and Tuesday with little change in the weather. A high tomorrow of 70 to 75 is expected with a low tonight near 60. Thursday's 10 p.m. news. The film showed Bill Johnson, Tulsa, Okla, sophomore, and Elizabeth Anthony, Dodge City junior, as they battled the clock in what Johnson called "our team effort to break the record." THE JRP NEWSPAPER. Inteligentia, said today that, "The target for the two talking dorms is to top the 450 hour mark." The paper went on to add, "Some words of warning: there have been some fellows who have missed their turn on the phone! This doesn't help the show at all!" are snow at the Elsewhere in the paper the following preamed: "It is not really a team effort unless the entire team pitches in and works. . . These girls won't bite, so sign up and have some fun."