University Daily Kansan, March 28, 1984 CAMPUS AND AREA Page 9 Vogel hopes move will draw students to Senate meetings By CINDY HOLM Staff Reporter To bring the Student Senate closer to students, the Senate will meet at 7 p.m. in the Ellsworth Hall lobby, the student body president said yesterday. Carla Vogel, the president, said that although the Kansas Union, the previous site of the meetings, was a neutral meeting place that was easily accessible, few students attended Senate meetings. She said she hoped that meeting in a residence hall would encourage students to attend. At the meeting, the Senate will consider several resolutions and the appointment of an administrative assistant to the treasurer. Vogel said that during an open forum, the senators would discuss communication problems in the Senate office and consensus decision-making. Dennis "Boog" Highberger, student body vice president, again will ask the senators to suspend Roberts Rules of Order, the parliamentary procedure guide, said, to use consensus decision making. In consensus decision-making, senators make proposals, and anyone can do it. At the last meeting, senators were not familiar with the process, Vogel said, and Highberger, acting as a mediator, twoouble keeping the discussion on track. She said that at tonight's meeting, Highberger would limit time for considering issues and would list ideas presented on a chalkboard. But Jon Gilchrist, chairman of the Finance Committee, said Monday that consensus would not work when the fiscal 1985 budget at the end of April. The Senate will consider a $61,000 budget for 70 student organizations, Glechrist said, and the senators have presented questions on what the Senate should finance. ON CAMPUS TODAY KU SAILING CLUB will meet at 7 p.m. in the Parlors of the Union. STUDENT SENATE meeting will be at 7 p.m. in Ewells Hall. MASTER PIANO CLASSES by Mena- n Pressler will be given from 8:30 a.m. to 3:30 p.m. in Swarthout Recital Hall. TOMORROW GEOGRAPHY DEPARTMENT Collection will be at 3:30 p.m. in Lilium Lecture Hall SPINSTERS BOOKS Speaker's Bureau and Gay and Lesbian Services of Kansas will meet at 7:30 p.m. in the International Room of the Union. "TOWARD A CULTURAL Practice," a lecture by Mary Louise Pratt, will be at 4 p.m. in the Jayhawk Room of the Union. GRUB STREET, KU's literary magazine, will meet at 7:30 p.m. in the Oread Room of the Union. ORTHODOX CHRISTIANS On Campus presents "The Virgin Mary" by Fr. Nicholas Dufault at 7 p.m. in the Regionalist Room of the Union. For the four members of KU's debate squad, a long year of exhaustive research, meticulous note-taking and sleepless nights has finally paid off. By YASH BHAGWANJI Staff Reporter Staff Reporter Hard work pays off for KU debaters They will leave this morning for the 1984 National Debate Tournament at the University of Tennessee in Knoxville. Because the squad hopes to retain the 3-foot traveling trophy won last year, an extra challenge faces the two teams who will compete. Only one of the four KU debaters, David Rhaesa, Salina junior, has been to the tournament. The other three debaters are Jerry Gaines, Houston junior; Eric Christensen, Nampa, Idaho, senior; and Jim Reed, St. Louis junior, Rhaea and Gaines are on one team, and Christensen and Reed are on the other. This year debaters across the country argued various aspects of the topic, "Resolved: That any and all injury resulting from the disposal of hazardous waste in the United States should be the legal responsibility of the producer of the same at the national tournament. Gaines said he and his teammates were keenly aware of the high level of competition they would meet at the national tournament. "We do not expect to win," he said. But he said he was confident about using a case that he and Rhaeba have presented at other tournaments this year. "David and I have defended the notion that in the 1950s, the fallout from nuclear tests conducted by the federal government in Nevada was hazardous and injured the residents," Gaines said. "The government should compensate the residents because they've done so in a lot of analogous ways." Rhaesa summarized debating as in-depth scrutiny of issues raised by the opposition, who in turn made the other team defend its views. Reed said that debating had taught him to incorporate information gathered from many articles written by experts into a few that were important On the average, each team member has spent more than 30 hours a week researching, they said. But being part of a team with a topic isn't enough to ensure victories. "Debating incorporates knowledge and your argumentative ability. Reed said." Debating teaches a person to think critically and consequently, to argue Gaines said that in the heat of a debate, he would do just about anything to point out a contradiction in something an opponent said. An easy way to beat the opponent with a solid case, he said, is to question what political or social consequences are involved in proposals presented by the opposition. All four debaters said that not all the pleasure in debate came from winning. Gaining respect from other debaters is equally important. "Can't take it all too seriously," Christensen said, "or else your ego will be abused." 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