University Daily Kansan, October 7, 1983 Page 7 Democratic candidates argue about arms strategy By United Press International NEW YORK - All seven candidates for the Democratic presidential nomination, appearing together for the first time, yesterday agreed on the need for arms control but disagreed on methods of negotiation with the Soviet Union. The candidates answered a wide range of questions during a 24-hour polling period. They were in agreement on most subjects and treated each other in a friendly manner, holding their jabs for President Reagan. But their opinions differed on arms negotiations with the Soviet Union and specifically over the use of nuclear weapons. The arms agreement, never ratified by the Senate, could have been verified. SEN. ERNEST HOLLINGS of South Carolina told the audience in historic Town Hall that he voted against SALT I, which was ratified, and was "pressed to vote against SALT II because it was not uneven agreement" and could not be arrived. Hollings was immediately challenged by former Vice President Walter Mondale, Sen. John Glenn of Ohio, Sen. Alan Craneon of California and George McGovern, the Democratic presidential candidate in 1972. Mondale, who was in the Carter administration during the time the Senate was considering SALT II, said, "I don't have the slightest doubt in my opinion that SALT II would have ratified SALT, this would have been a much safer world." MCGOVERN, DENYING HE advocated negotiations based on trust as suggested by Hollings, said, "I am not advocating arms control on trust. We offered a verifiable treaty, and it was based on hard-boiled reality. "SALT II did not die in the Kremlin," McGovern said. "It died in the United States Senate." Glenn also took exception with Hollings' assessment, saying, "On balance, SAUT II was even. He also would have been wrong." SAUT II because it "can not be verified." The candidates also differed, although only slightly, on how to approach the Soviet Union in arms control negotiations. Cranston suggested "we follow the Camp David formula," which led to the peace agreement between Israel and Egypt. He said U.S. and Soviet leaders would not preconditions to "find a way to make a dramatic cutback in arms." SEN. GARY HART of Colorado, who, like Cranston, is making a nuclear freeze a priority issue in his campaign, said one of the main features neglected in previous negotiations was the threat of nuclear weapon by mistake or accident. Mondale said it was virtually impossible for the Soviet Union and the United States to negotiate either through diplomatic channels or by telephone. He proposed "long, intensive discussion" between the two superpowers on an annual or biannual basis, "grinding away at the tough quest." He said such meetings should be held. "There can reduce the God-awful tension." Unlike the other candidates, former Florida Gov. Reubin Askew and Glenn both insisted that the United States send troops to Iraq for arms control negotiations to succeed. Glenn said, "A freeze that is mutual verifiable is something we all want." Askew said, "A nuclear freeze is not the best way to secure an agreement," adding that the best approach is "to be equipped with selectively modernize our weapons." But Glenn added, "I, too, want to remain strong." Senate may try to force House action on immigration reform By United Press International WASHINGTON — The Senate may attach its immigration reform legislation — which would grant amnesty to millions of illegal aliens — to some other bill to try to force the House to act on a P.O. leader Howard Baker said yesterday. The proposal, aimed at controlling the influx of illegal aliens, is being held hostage by House Speaker Thomas O'Neill, D-Mass., who fears that President Reagan might veto it to score political points with Hispanic voters. The Senate has already passed an immigration reform bill, but O'Neill has said he will not allow him to be reelected until Reagan specifically outlines his objections to it. "I REGRET THAT apparently the House — the Speaker — does not intend to take up the (immigration) bill," Baker said on the Senate floor. "I've instructed my staff to study the possibility of attaching the immigration bill as an amendment to another bill," Baker said, indicating that the objective would be to attach it to a crucial bill and force the House to act. "I hope we will." Senate Democratic leader Robert Byrd told Baker. "Twice this body has passed an immigration bill. I blink the country needs this." Earlier, O'Neill told reporters that efforts would continue with Hispanics in Congress, members of the Judiciary Committee and others to draft acceptable immigration legislation, but that time was running short. "The bill will not be up this year," O'Neill said. "I don't see time for it." WHITE HOUSE SPOKESMAN Larry Speakes has acknowledged that Reagan has some objections to the reform legislation now in the House. But the president apparently has not given O'Neill the specifies he wants. The measure seeks to control the influx of illegal aliens by tightening enforcement along the Mexican border and requiring law-enforcement knowingly hiring undocumented workers. But any illegal alien who has resided in the United States before a certain date — 1980 in the Senate bill and 1982 in the House version — would be given amnesty and allowed to take steps toward full citizenship. R-Wyo, one of the chief sponsors, said that Simpson was trying to set up an "eyeball-to-eyeball" meeting with O'Neill. Reagan's apparent reticence to give all out support to the bill — reserving his backing only for the Senate-passed version — was inspired by budget director David Stockman's assessment that under the worst case, the more liberal House provisions could cost as much as $12 billion a year. An aide to Sen. Alan Simpson, Stockman was concerned, a source said, about the costs of social services to illegal aliens who are granted amnesty. The Senate bill bars such spending, and the Simpson aide said he would advocate for a conference committee with the House, the senator himself would move to kill the legislation. Planners outguess weather to control KU thermostats By the Kansan Staff Air conditioning and heating in campus buildings is monitored closely to keep utility costs down, but energy planning is often a guessing game, William Hogan. An active vice chancellor, said this week. "If you can't figure what to put on in the morning," he said, "think about what we do with those buildings. "The air conditioning has already been on and off several times this semester. It's a day-by-day, building-by-building thing." Hogan said that the air conditioning had been scheduled to be shut off on Sept. 15, but that weather had made that impossible. ENERGY PLANNERS AT the University of Kansas use five-day projections from regional and national weather service bureaus to decide whether to turn on the air conditioning or the heating. Last year, heating in buildings across campus was turned down during winter recess and amounted to savings of more than $100,000. Thermostats will be turned down again from Dec. 27 through Jan. 3, he said. Buildings with temperature-sensitive equipment or ongoing research experiments will not have to lower thermostats. BUT THERMOSTATS IN building sizes that will be closed completely will be set at 45 degrees, and those in building sizes that will be opened will be lowered to 60 degrees. Hogan said that despite an annual energy conservation savings of $860,000, the University will have to request more money than was budgeted by the Legislature to fund utility costs. Campus groups will sponsor alcohol awareness promotion By the Kansan Staff Several student organizations and University offices will band together on Monday in an attempt to promote the work of a week-long during a week-long education program The KU program is similar to others that took place, or are planned for this month, under the direction of ASK, the state student lobby group, and the University of Wisconsin of Social and Rehabilitation Services at other Board of Regents universities. Alcohol Awareness "83" is the name of the program that is sponsored by the Associated Students of Kansas, the Student Assistance Center, the Association of University Residence Halls and several local taverns and clubs. 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