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The other thing that we're doing is working toward requiring one course that deals with contemporary issues in Indian affairs, and I think that it will become a required course. The idea of this course is the idea of the problems they face as Indian people. It generates further interest, that it's fine.
Q: Indian students have traditionally had a high drop-out rate. Duane Evans, an extension associate professor of social work at KU, says it is 50 percent. What is being done to reduce the drop-out rate?
A: A lot of factors figure in all the way from not being prepared academically or socially to moving to a college situation. What we're trying to do is what I mentioned in the intervention program. If the student has a problem, hopefully someone on the campus will recognize at least the symptoms of that problem, refer the student and, if necessary, call together all the resources such as counselors and academic advisors. We also have the alcohol and drug prevention program. It's a matter of us trying to recognize the problems and then refer that student to the appropriate entity that can hopefully deal with it. I think that gets at the crux of the problem.
The other thing we do here is try to stress attendance in our classes. The idea is to make sure that students understand that after their legitimate cuts, they run a risk of being dropped from those classes. If a student is cut, he will be dropped from classes, lose dorm privileges and no longer be a student. You have to keep up with the class we re not a resort or a rebaub center or anything else. The students have responded very positively, and that's why I think for the vast majority you will see our classes full and our students attending classes.
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Q: There have been charges by Haskell students and faculty and Lawrence residents of racism in Lawrence toward the Indians
and charges of segregation. Do you encounter a racist attitude in Lawrence?
A: No, I don't think I encounter racism in Lawrence.
Q: How do you think your students are treated in Lawrence?
A: That's a good question. I think there are students who encounter racism. What I'm not of is, are these isolated incidents? That is a definite concern that I have.
Q: Are these protests a matter of racism, segregation, hatred or what?
A: I don't know that I can answer for those individuals. I would have to believe that part of it was not really understanding the situation. That's a very general observation. What I would be concerned about as a college administrator is trying to open up communication with people. Trying to make sure that they understand they would be more than welcome to come on our campus, get to know our students so they understand our situation. And vice versa. Hopefully, we can better understand what their concerns are. If we can communicate more openly, discuss mutual concerns, we would certainly be willing to do that. We have an active student senate and I know they're concerned.
Q: A few weeks ago a woman came to the City Commission with two garbage bags full of empty liquor bottles and indicated that they had been thrown in her yard during the Labor Day weekend by Haskell students. How do neighbors react to Haskell?
A: I haven't had that much interaction with the local residents. I met with this lady and she qualified some of her statements. She wasn't necessarily concerned about behavior or misbehavior of students. In fact, she wasn't even sure they were students. Her major concern was litter, and the trash receptacles were full and it was on a holiday weekend. We said we would make an appeal to our students that if they are frequenting parks and so forth to respect the property of people adjacent to the college, but also that they have the right to be there. I think my basic posture is that if our students are indeed treading on the rights of their people they need to be aware of it, no question. But they
Q: Recently several people protested against the City Commission for granting a use permit for the new site of the Lawrence Indian Center. Why do you think there was such neighborhood opposition, and what can Haskell, KU or Lawrence do to let people know what the center's purpose is?
have a right to go into local establishments and parks. If people are breaking the law then they should be dealt with. And I think our students understand that.
A: I don't know. You'll have to ask those people why they are so opposed. I was somewhat surprised by the opposition. I can understand some of their positions. At least I can try to understand what some of their concerns might be.
Q: Has anyone, either KU or the city or neighbors, made any effort to improve relations with the school beyond offering some standard services and courtesies?
A: There are some very sincere people who want to help Haskell beyond lip service. There are a lot of people who you don't see their action, yet they're supporting Haskell. Our central focus has been with the Chamber of Commerce, and out of that different groups have extended their support. We work with the Lawrence Public School District. For example, Lawrence High School uses our stadium.
Q: How has the college been treated by the City Commission?
A: We haven't had a lot of working relationship with them at all. That's something that the college needs to take the initiative to do.
Q: What effort has the city made to provide Haskell with service? Are you able to get services you need such as bus routes and snowplowing?
A: The bus system is not good for our students. I understand the University has a role in that, and it's something that I'm interested in exploring. Is it possible for bus transportation to be made available to our students? That's an issue I would be
interested in exploring with the city and perhaps KU. We had some discussion with city officials some time ago, but it kind of fell by the wayside. We never went much further than that. Other than that I don't have any particular problems.
Q: Does it seem that there is an effort to keep the Indians on campus and separated from the rest of the community?
Q: Do you feel Haskell students are portrayed in a bad light in the press?
A: No one has ever called me to tell me to keep my students on campus. My position is that as a citizen of this country and of this community you have a right to be in the park, to indulge in beer. I've never had anyone come and say, 'Hey, keep your students out of here.' I don't think anyone would call me and say that.
Q: What does the college do to offset that publicity?
A: I don't know, I guess I have a concern that, being a minority and physically identifiable, when something happens everyone one assumes that the person involved is automatically a Haskell student and that's not always the case.
A: It's a difficult thing to deal with. As far as working with the media, I think this college needs to communicate as much as we can so the media is better informed and will present different sides of Haskell Indian students. That's something we're lacking here.
Q: What do you think is the prevailing opinion of Haskell in the Lawrence area?
A: I don't know. I wish I knew. The leadership of the community that I encounter seems to have fairly high regard for the institution. I'm not sure what the common person out there in the Lawrence community really knows or thinks about Haskell. That's a concern because if they get fragmented into many different problems, that's very easily highlighted, and they don't see our everyday person. In most cases I don't know what the common person
thinks because they probably haven't been out here.
Q: Since so many of them live on campus is a tendency for them to develop essential skills.
Q: Are Indian students able to find work in Lawrence?
A: That's a natural thing to occur. Part of it goes back to transportation. If there it's activity five miles from here you either walk those five miles or take a taxi, and you may just have the money to get into that event. Very few of the students have cars. We do provide some transportation for special events and for off-campus students in the morning. But if you're taking about moving 500 or 600 students, no way.
Q: Is there anything that I haven't covered that you feel strongly about?
A: Some do. The majority do not. This is something we did initiate here about a year and a half ago, meeting with businesses, trying to encourage them to hire students part time. Kroger took on a very active role. But aside from that there weren't very many others. I'm not sure how many go looking for work.
A: The bottom line for me as an Indian educator is that we want the best possible program for our students. We want to provide an institution with high standards that will attract those students who are serious about higher education and hopefully contribute to meeting the needs of the Indian community. And that's a difficult task because of the diversity of our students. I think the potential to really become one of the leading Indian educational institutions in this country is a good one. And this college should try to do that because of the whole cultural program that I spoke of earlier.
The larger society and policies historically have been to try to divorce the Indian from his culture, and I think Indians have resisted that successfully. They've lost a lot of that, but they still want to remain in the proper perspective. I hope this college can become a part of that, if not the leader.
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