Results not known for nearly six weeks
Faculty delays vote on ROTC credit
The Faculty of the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences will once again vote on the credit status of ROTC courses.
The faculty at a meeting Tuesday chose to vote by mail ballots on a motion to drop credit from military science courses not integrated into academic departments of the College by September, 1971.
The wording of the motion states ROTC courses not integrated by then "shall not apply toward graduation in the College."
The motion came from a report of the faculty's Educational Policies Committee, which tacked the motion to the end of a list of
changes and additions in College courses.
Robert Hersh, professor of biochemistry and a member of the committee spoke against the motion, saying he did not think many of the ROTC courses would be absorbed by the College departments. He said he thought students should have the opportunity to take ROTC courses at KU.
Harold Orel, professor of English, spoke in favor of the motion. He listed several examples of the ROTC department's separation from the University in terms of faculty selection, course content, and student contracts, all of which Orel said were determined by the Defense Department.
Frosh class officers to seek vote in senate
The freshman class has begun its projects.
Freshman will be members of the Student Senate this year. They will have all the rights of
Politicians criticized
other Senate members except the right to vote.
Donald Marquis, assistant professor of philosophy, criticized politicians Friday for the present situation in Vietnam.
People today, he said consider politics in the wrong way. He said they considered more the stature that a political figure had built around himself.
Marquis, speaking at the open microphone in Strong Hall rotunda during the November war moratorium, said because of politicians, moral considerations really had no bearing on the Vietnam conflict. He said although Nixon had spoken against Vietnamese having to die, he was still the greatest supporter of the war among the politicians.
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Members will be the freshman class officers. Steve Hix, president; Tom Perry, vice-president; Betsy Adams, secretary; and Melissa Wayne, treasurer.
Hix said the class officers will try to obtain the right to vote this year which will require an amendment to the Senate's constitution.
In addition, there will be a Freshman Senate which will be composed of two representatives from each on-campus living group housing freshmen. Size will have no bearing on the number of representatives. Off-campus residents will have representatives to the Freshman Senate. Election procedures for off-campus representatives have not been decided.
The Senate will be a communications liaison between class officers and members.
Class dues, which are $3, may be paid from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. in the Kansas Union Alumni Room until the freshman party which is scheduled for the week before finals in January. Dues may also be paid at the door at the party.
Class cards should be received in the mail during the first week in December, Hix added.
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WHO SAYS SO?
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If you will listen in that way to a man who faithfully preaches the Bible, God will speak through him to your heart. The first thing His Holy Spirit will do is to convict you of being a sinner. Remember, it is no longer the preacher you are listening to, but the voice of God in your soul.
The second thing the Holy Spirit will show you is that you must accept Christ's death as the basis for your salvation, that you must rely on His atonement for your sins. You are free to disbelieve any of man's remedies for sin, but when the Holy Spirit brings the truth home to your heart, you reject it at the cost of your own soul.
On the other hand if you believe in Christ as your Saviour, for time and for eternity, you are not being a credulous fool, but are exercising faith in the witness of God's Holy Spirit to your own heart. Then, and only then, is faith a virtue.
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Orel said faculty opposition to ROTC was nationwide, naming several universities which have either partially or completely eliminated ROTC programs. He called the motion a compromise between those supporting ROTC in its present form and those advocating elimination of ROTC from KU.
William Albrecht, professor of English, said many ROTC courses deserved to be in academic departments, but the departments would not have the personnel to teach the courses properly.
Albrecht proposed an amendment allowing military instructors to teach military courses such as navigation and military history which would be integrated into College departments. The amendment was defeated.
Carl Lande, associate professor of political science, proposed a substitute motion calling for the evaluation of ROTC courses and instructors using the procedure employed for all College courses not within a specific department, such as religion courses. The motion was also defeated.
The original motion as originally stated in the Education Policies Committee report will now be voted on by mail ballots to all
College faculty members. Results of the vote will not be determined for nearly six weeks,said George Waggoner, dean of the College.
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