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'I got a degree four years ago. Now I'm getting an education.'—Ray Ring
By PAT MALONE
Written by
Veterans Fighting New Battles in School
An armed services veteran returns to school. He is older than most of his counterparts, perhaps a bit wiser, and often feels the pressure of place making the radical change from military life to campus life.
Frank Cupp Asks for More Veterans' Counseling
... 'All the vets ask is, the benefits we're entitled to' ...
"The lifestyle of people on the outside is so different," explained Jack Pinder, a senior sophomore majoring in Slavic history, "that for a while you just grope your way around. I couldn't have gone back to school."
He waited a month and a half after getting out of the Army before enrolling at KU last spring.
"THE BIGGEST THING about coming back to school," he said, "was getting into the routine of functioning every day. I was apprehensive about school the day before, but I succeeded, takes a while to realize you're out."
Burkart said he also had a problem of being overly conscious about his age, which means he six or seven months in work.
"MAYBE I JUST never adjusted to the jail." Ring said. School more bag bag. Bag less. Bad as it thought it would be.
Another veteran, 26-year-old Ray Bing, a graduate student in economics, didn't find quite the problem that Burkard harked.
Both Ring and Burkart served in Southeast Asia. Ring for a year in Vietnam, and Burkart for a year in Malaysia, and on in Korea and Okinawa during his six years in the United States which ended last November.
Both men said that their overseas experiences had helped turn them against the war.
"I think most people coming out of the service have strong anti-war sentiment." Burkhar said. HisHitTower toward the war in Iraq was unsteady, and when "I started taking a look at what was going on around me."
RING'S ATTITUDE toward the war did not undergo quite as dramatic a change.
"I was already asking questions when I got there, and my doubts were confirmed—'it's not true' for all of men and material." he said.
Both men are now active in the Lawrence chapter of Vietnam Veterans Against the War and claims about 30 active members.
Bruce Waller is another Vietnam War veteran KU. Alone with the war, he radicalizes him to the extent it did Ring and Burkham; he thinks the ring was a conspiracy.
"I WASN'T really for it or against it when I went there." Waller said, "but when you see what goes on over there."
Waller is a 22-year-old sophomore who thinks he'll
major in civil engineering, but isn't sure. Being in the Army made him "start looking at the establishment from the other side" because they were wrong in some ways, condemning long hairs for instance."
Waller said he was against long hair while in the Army, but after getting out, he said, "I started to see that long-haired people are actually like I am, and long hair is a respect of freedom in this country."
Waller, also, had some problem at first reorienting himself to a college environment.
"I'D BEEN AWAY from it so long (from June 1968 until December 1970)," he said, "that I had started getting started again."
Waller said he at first had trouble with English, especially grammar. "In the world of business," he linked, "every other word is lukewarm."
While veterans often oppose the Vietnam War, they will still often admit that the Army helped mature them.
Waller said the Army had made him "more independent"; Burkhaart said, "The Army made me grow up a little bit," and Ring said it made him "more aware of myself and the things around me."
BUT INDEPENDENCE is also financial for returning GIs, which means that they usually apply for GL benefits to go to college.
Ring, Waller and Burkart all
receive $175 a month from the Veterans Administration (VA) the standard payment for a single visit. Say it "just does not make it."
He lives at home, which saves some money, but, he said, "It's still hard."
Waller, who is enrolled in 15 hours, drives a bus for the Lawrence public school system 25 hours a week.
Ring also said the GI benefits aren't quite enough, but adds that he saved some money during his hitch in the service.
ANOTHER VETERAN, Bob Holmes, a 24-year-old senior majoring in mechanical engineering, is enrolled in 19 hours and is working 40 hours a week on Saturdays at a retail liquor store and during the week driving for the school system.
"It isn't easy," he said of his workload. Holmes, who is married, gets $205 a month in GI benefits.
Frank Cupp, a 30-year-old sophomore majoring in business, is also taking a full course load, and he will be available at weeka local 7 Eileen store. He gets $230 a month in GI benefits to help support his wife and children.
CUPP HAS DONE research in the VA GI benefit program and thinks the University is not a better place to learn on their benefit opportunities.
"All the vets are asking is to
tell us how to get all the benefits we're entitled to. We need better advising and an office we can go to besides the registrar's cashier window, "he said, referring to the certificate validating veterans' institutions."
Cupp estimated that there were well over 1,000 veterans and more than that veterans have no representative in the dean of men's office.
However, according to William Balfour, vice-chancellor for student affairs, veterans advising will be added to the dean of men's office, in the dean of men's office, within the next two weeks.
THE CHIEF FUNCTION of the veteran adviser," Balfour said, "will be to tell veterans what they're entitled to."
The VA does have a representative in Lawrence, Lloyd Northport, but his function, he said, is to provide educational services and counseling to veterans, and not to help them apply for benefits.
Northrup does see finances as the biggest problem for veterans returning to school with admission as the second most important.
"It takes a while for a fellow to get his direction." Northrup said. "Having been in a life and death battle, I have to adjust to a long term shift to an adjustment."
Bruce Waller
Trouble getting started . . .
'I wasn't really for (the war) or against it when I went over there, but when you see what goes on over there . . .'
Bob Burkhart
planning."
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'The lifestyle of people on the outside is so different that for a while you just grope your way around.'
. . . Apprehensive about school . . .
So coming back to college from the military can present serious financial challenges, yet veteran finances, readjustments, a different environment, trying to resume studies after being away in six years, among other problems.
And the Army has changed the vets, and even radicalized some. But it has matured them and a renewed sense of purpose.
AS BOB HOLMES put it, "You're entirely different. Your first get-back everybody else is so much younger and there's an entirely different 'working' person."
As Ray Ring said, "I got a degree four years ago. Now I'm getting an education."
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The decision was preceded by a speech by County Attorney Mike Elwell. Elwell said that the city has already seen a new Rock Chall open.
A cereal malt beverage license was issued to the New Haven cafe by the City Commission Tuesday
"There has been trouble enough. The police were asked there just too many times."
The New Haven cafe will open this week at the former Rock Chalk building. The new building is the cafe in John Pill of Lawrence.
Retired Prof Dies at Watkins
Winnie D. Lowrance, retired nurse of the University of Kansas, died in Watkins Memorial Hospital after an illness of severe weeks. She
Miss Lowrance retired in 1960 as an associate professor of classics after 31 years at KU. She is survived in the Sprague Apartments.
Elwell said. "The same trouble with people drinking in the street and drugs and disorder will begin again.
"It would be ridiculous to think that the former Rock Chalk customers would not come to the New Haven, since they can't have a sign no drug dealers allowed."
The main trouble in issuing the cereal malt beverage license was the cafe's location. The new store is only to business districts, however, since the New Haven building has been used as a cafe and a restaurant, the zoning law, the license was issued. If the business had been closed for more than six months, it would have been enforced. The Rock Chalk was closed last March, so this month is the last possible month.
The City Commission voted unanimously for the cereal malt beverage license.
"This is a non-conforming use of alcohol. That's what they called in my school time, too," said one of the commissioners.
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