Vol. 99, No. 21 (USPS 650-640)
THE UNIVERSITY DAILY KANSAN
PUBLISHED SINCE 1869 BY THE STUDENTS OF THE UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS
Monday September 26,1988
Debate '88 ★★
Dukakis, Bush meet face-to-face
Candidates debate defense, drugs and deficit in sharp debate
The Associated Press
WINSTON-SALEM. N.C.
Crispus clashed over deficits, drugs and
the Pledge of Allegiance in a
cracking campaign debate last
Bush said, "I hope people don't think I'm questioning his patriotism," but Dukaix retreated that he was and added, "I resented it."
Bush sought repeatedly in the 90-minute debate to depict Dakakis as a liberal Democrat who is working with his brother. Dakakis challenged the vice president's judgment and ticked off a string of what he called Reagan-administration failures, with assistance on the Iraq-Confair affair.
He said it was a tragedy for the president to sell arms to Iran in exchange for hostages, and said Bush endorsed the deal.
The vice president replied, "Yes, we shouldn't trade arms for labor. We should make vast improvements in our war effort." Some hostages were freed during the wars dealing with Iran, Iraq and Somalia. U.S. citizens remain in custody.
A question about Republican vice presidential candidate Dan Quayle brought another lively debate over the youthful running mate, said he had
been subjected to unfair speculaa
conference." Dakakis guesses that
for most people the notion of President is a very, very troubion.
The combatants argued their case a little more than six weeks before Election Day from behind wooden lecterns at a stage at Waterloo University (y's campus). The live audience numbered a few thousand — but the television audience was in the millions. And with many voters still undecided, the campaigned to the debate as a pivotal event.
With a television audience counted in the tens of millions, they were eager to choose a dark blue suit for the right appearance, and Dukakis was wearing light up in what an actress would minimize mimezize shadows under his eyes.
The vice president held a narrow lead in most polls as he and Democratic rival Dakikas walked onto the debate stage.
Their confrontation was set up as the first of three debates during the meeting, between Quailey and Lloyd Benson meet in Omaha, Neb., on Oct. 3, and Dukakis and Bush will meet for their debate, which will be either Oct. 13 or 14 in Los Angeles.
The most riveting moment of the evening came when Bush was asked if he would be criticized of Dukeska being a “card-carrying member” of the administration.
Bush said, "I hope people don't think I'm questioning his patriotism."
But Democrat Dukakis, saying he hoped he wouldn't have to repeat himself, said: "Of course the vice president is questioning me." But he didn't think there's any question about that. And I resent it. I resented him.
Bush said the sharp attacks he delivers almost daily on the campaign trail were meant to question Dukakis' judgment on matters like his membership in the liberal and his wife's legislation requiring teachers in Massachusetts to lead their students in reciting the ledge.
He said Bush has been presiding officer of the Senate for 7½ years without one suggesting that a session open with the pledge.
Earlier, arguing over ways to cut the deficit, the vice president depicted his rival as a taxraiser. Bush said he was "not buddying" Bush would cut Social Security.
Both men aimed snappy comments at the other from the debate's opening moments.
Please see DEBATE, p. 12, col. 4.
Debate attracts students
Democratic, Republican groups gather to view candidates
By Barbara Joseph Kansan staff writer
All seemed somewhat quiet on the Lawrence front last night as many KU students watched the televised debate.
But appearances were deceiving.
"Faux pas number one," said Mike Lowry, vice-president, when Vice President George Bush stuttered for the first time.
But things heated up as the candidates warmed to the occasion.
In fairness, Johnston stuck up one finger to indicate faux pass number one for Dakakis when he too stuttered.
At the McCallum Hall lobby, KI Democrats and others sat with us, quietly attentive as they watched the debate on a big screen folded fund-raising letters beneath a Dukaik and Bensen poster.
Laughter broke out when Bush
said there was no evidence that
G. Manuel Noronja of Panama
was involved with drugs until the
reganian administration indicted him.
"He passed the buck on that one," said a pleased Lowry.
A few minutes later, a hearty shout greeted Dakukai* reference to Bash as the "Joe臭队" with reference to the budget deficit.
The Democratic group seemed to smell victory when Dukakis said Bush could only deal with the security trust fund
"That's brutal," said Joe Orrick, treasurer of the KU Democrats.
Minutes later, Bush was asked about his repeated reference to Dukakis's membership in the American Civil Liberties Union.
"That's the first tough question," said Orrick.
The group was not happy with
Bush's answer.
At halftime, Johnston was some what disappointed.
"He's whining, he's whining," said Patty Kennedy, Silver Lake sophomore.
"They're not as clean cut as I had expected," he said. "So far each has mispoken or stumbled and made mistakes avoiding the questions quite well."
Meanwhile, across town, a more subdued College Republicans group watched the debate on a screen at a private residence
A few of the eight in attendance yawned and shifted as the candidates sparred.
"Stay awake everyone," said Brett Frazier, president.
Tweets picked up as Bush forgot the name of the MX missile and called it the "Minuteman, or whatever."
Please see STUDENTS, p. 10, col. 3
Dukakis
Bush
PATRIOTISM
Bush said in his attack on Dukasi, "I hope people don't think I questioning his patriotism." Dukasi returned, "Of course the vice president is questioning my patriotism. I don't think there's any question about that. And I relict it. I relict it."
DRUGS-NORIEGA
Dukakis accused the Reagan administration, including Bush, of dealing with Panamanian Gen. Manuel Noriega, whom he referred to as a "drug-running dictator. We've been dealing with him. He's been dealing drugs to our kids." Bush said the administration had moved quickly to indict Noriega on drug charges as soon as it had evidence.
IRAN-CONTRA
Dukaix said it was a tragedy for the president to sell arms to Iran in exchange for hostages, and he said Bush endorsed the deal. Bush replied, "Yes, we shouldn't arm for hostages, but we have made vast improvements in our anti-terrorism."
DEFICIT
Arguing over ways to cut the federal budget deficit, Bush depicted his rival as one who would raise taxes. Dukesia criticized him.
MILITARY
Bush said Dukakis' support for a nuclear freeze in the 1970s would have worked to the advantage of the communist bloc. Dukakis accused the Reagan administration of cutting into the "fiber and the muscle" of conventional forces.
ONE-LINERS
"If he keeps this up, he's going to be the Joe suzuki of American politics," Dukakis said, drawing laughter from the audience with his reference to the television advertising character who exaggerates the concept of a government response. Bush said, "Is this the time to unleash our one-liners?"
"That answer was about as clear as Boston Harbor," Bush said in reference to environmental problems in Dukakis' home state.
DAN QUAYLE
Bush defended his youthful running mate, said he had been subjected to unfair speculation and added, "he has my confidence." Dukaix guessed that "for most people the notion of President Quaglia is a very, very troubling notion."
CLOSING STATEMENT
Each man used his closing statement to deliver a two-minute version of his standard campaign speech.
Bush said the voters want change but contended, "We are the people who can make the change." Dakilek said, "The best America is not behind us," he added.
KU profs say race still close
By Cindy Harger Kansan staff writer
Kansan staff writer
Even after last night's presidential debate, both candidates are still running a race, many of Kansas political watchers said.
"It was a very, very close encounter from Farson, professor of design, who would give a slight edge to Bush, but Dikakis more to gain and lift."
Parson said that the debate Mohabbi Kobashi had over Dukakis up in the polls because it would allow some of the many undecided voters to get to know him.
"Many people don't know Dukabisky and they do know Bush," he said. "It will help, in a sense, to see them side by side."
"There were no new issues that hadn't come up before," Parson said. "There were no surprises and no clairn mistakes."
Parson said that Vice President George Bush was strong on the issues of economic improvements, and on relations with Gorbachev, and on relations with Gorbachev.
However, he said Bush never gave adequate answers dealing with the Iran-Contra scandal. Bush was asked a question about weapons systems. Bush said that he would lead the least one system that has already been developed.
Parson said Dukakis was strong in pinpointing domestic problems where he had to work hard because he never responded to Irish accusations of
Parson said there were some ironies within the debate. Bush was kinder and gentler in the past, but he didn't approach his approach. Dukesk拉士特 that he was a man of passion, but Dukesk did I demonstrate that in
He said voters were looking for a candidate who would show some warmth. Neither candidate pre-dated himself well enough in that way.
The way the candidates present themselves has proven to be very effective. Mr. Shaffer, professor of economics and adviser to the KU team, said Harry Shaffer, professor of economics and adviser to the KU team.
"Unfortunately, the issues are less important to the American people than how they are presented," he said.
Please see PROFS, p. 10, col. 4
New shuttle countdown won't postpone launch
The Associated Press
CAPE CANAVERAL. Fla.
NASA posted the start of the countdown for space hysteria Discovery by eight hours yesterday because of lagging preparation, but still launched a Thursday morning liftoff.
The countdown was reencoded to begin at 9 a.m. today for the first manned U.S. space flight since the Challenger blew up 32 months ago.
"We're still on the timeline for launch on the 29th and that's the plan," said launch director Bob Sieck.
NASA had planned to start the countdown at midnight, but "buttoning up" the aft end of the spaceplane — akin to closing the door on a car-waxed by a problem which had run through the postmigration for two days.
The space agency had added 27 unprogrammed hours to the countdown as insurance for last-minute problems, and Steed said eight hours were needed to complete the work of replacing panels and work platforms.
Low voltage readings were found in an electrical circuit that triggers the explosive charges used to separate the shuttle from its fuel tank. Eventually engineers determined the fault was in a ground circuit, which
The shuttle rides attached at three points to the 154- foot-long external tank. At 8% minutes into flight, just before the shuttle reaches orbit, the
explosive devices release the tank and it breaks up in the atmosphere as it falls toward the Indian Ocean.
Discovery's launch date has been changed five times as new problems cropped up in getting ready for STS-138. The mission is the Space Transportation System
The Cape Canaveral area was bracing for an inflict of visitors who had been scrambling into space shuttle in 1981, when more than a million people crowded the roads
The booster rockets, which supply more than 70 percent of the power to lift the shuttle off the ground, were the greatest concern because it was one of the most expensive flaming gas and destroyed the Challenger with its seven astronauts.
The removed interest was also evident at the press site where 4,500 journalists attended a conference. By contrast, there were 500 journalists at Cape Canaveral when the conference took place.
The joints of the segmented bootters that permit the leak be completely redesigned and have been tested in five full-scale fittings. The same model can come when the Discovery lifts off its legs, the same one used for the Challenge.
When Discovery lifts off with five veteran astronauts aboard, it will be the first time that US astronauts飞ions. The orbiter has had 210 changes and the solid fuel rockets
Songwriters serenade judges at competition
By David Stewart
Kansan staff writer
The contest, which was from to 5:30 p.m. at South Park, 12th and Massachusetts streets, featured a race in Nebraska, Nebraska and Missouri.
Music filled a cloudless sky yesterday as 19 area songwriters sang at the sixth annual Kaw Valley Songwriters' Contest.
"I'm pretty damn," he said. Edmonton's hands shook nervously as contest posters were thrust at him for his autograph.
Jim Edmonston, Topeka resident, won the contest, but he didn't expect to.
"I've never done this before,
except on bailbonds," Edmonston
joked, while autographing the
posters.
Edmonston said he was amazed by his rise to superstar status.
"Isn't that wonderful and flattering?" he said.
For winning, Edmonston received $100, five hours of free studio time from Chapman Recordings Studios in Kansas City, Mo. and $200 to play at the IndieBowl on Friday. Lawrence on the Fourth of July.
Edmonson won the contest with his songs "PBS," about how public television made him an intellectual Romance, "about modern love.
The judges and the contest organizers said that it was difficult.
to pick the winner.
"I pity the judges," said Rick Frydman, one of the organizers.
David Wilcox, one of the judges,
said. "We weren't comparing
apples and oranges, but apples,
oranges, pears, mangoes and
whatever else. When we thought
about best, it was difficult."
But as far as deciding which year of the six that the contest had been conducted was the best, the judgment was easier.
The weather also drew applause.
"It's really the best quality of songs in the years we've had the contest," Frydman said.
"I've been here the past three or four years, and this is better than last year," said Connie Riley. The contest was conducted inside.
According to the KU Weather Service, the high yesterday was 82.
"I'd definitely vote for outside," Riley said.
Service, the high yesterday was 82. The contest participants had made a significant difference and they also knew that they had been selected from a wide field of other students.
"We pre-selected out of 71 tapes, and picked out the best," Frydman said.
Shawn Kelly, bassist for the group Foodhead, said he also enjoyed the chance to play some different music for the contest
"We're definitely a lot different from the other bands." Kelly said.
David Wilcox, left, and John Gorka perform during intermission of the Kay Valley Songwriters' Contest. Both musicians judged Wolverine for their original song "Amazing."
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