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University of Kansas Lawrence, Kansas
The University Daily
ISA meetings to be regulated
By LISA MASSOTH Staff Reporter
Staff Reporter
In response to the Sept. 12 clash between two Iranian groups in the Kansas Union, the University has formed a policy regulating Iranian Student Association activities.
The ISA must pay the Union $100 for damages, register all open meetings 72 hours in advance with University officials and discuss meeting arrangements with officials.
DAVID AMBLEM, vice chancellor of student affairs, said the restrictions were for the ISA's protection and were intended to avoid another fight.
"the precautions are to protect the health and safety of the people," he said. "we want them to be safe."
Ambler said that if ISA members feared a recurrence, officials would work with them to
minimize the risks. Such security measures could include assigning door monitors to make sure the room doesn't get too full, changing meeting times and places to avoid disturbing classes and making sure the meeting ends before the building closes.
Mansour Mojadad, ISA president, said punishing his group did not solve the problem but instead encouraged pro-Khomeini students to attack again.
"Instead of punishing them, they are putting
secure on them and will be unaware of us,
making for us to kill it is so going to encourage them."
The ISA was meeting in the Union when a pro-Khomeini faction, the Muslim Student Association (Persian Speaking Group), tried to invade the room and break up the meeting. The ISA attempted to keep out the intruders, who started a fight.
MOJADAD SAID he wasn't scared of MSA members, but he said he wouldn't be surprised if they attacked again.
The ISA was going to request funds from Student Senate to pay for the damage, but Mojadaj said he didn't think the money would be sufficient. Instead, it will come from ISA members' pockets.
"If they get encouragements from authorities and police, they might do it again," he said.
The ISA has fallen fictim to University bureaucracy since the brawl, Mojadaj said.
"It has been difficult for us to get facilities and rooms because there is too much paperwork," he said. "It didn't used to be like that."
The ISA is the only group on campus that has to register open meetings 72 hours in advance. Ambler said. Other groups can, and some do, but it is not required. he said.
The disciplinary actions are intended to give all groups notice. Amber said.
State's delays trim faculty benefits
"It they promote violence, it will jeopardize their status with the University," he said.
By SHARON APPELBAUM
Staff Reporter
Staff Reporter
For the third year in a row, faculty members are complaining that sluggishness in Teopka is occurring.
But state financial officials said yesterday the loss would continue for at least another year.
THE PROBLEM revolves around interest payments for retirement benefits. All University employees must put 8 percent of their salaries in fund. The state matches that 8 percent figure.
Martin Jones, University associate director of business affairs, said that although almost all employees were paid on the first of each month, the retirement reductions didn't reach the accounts until some time between the 22nd and 27th of the month.
Some employees use a tax shelter annuity program, where up to 15 and two-thirds percent of their salaries can be placed into an interest-collecting fund. That money remains tax-free until the employee retires and begins drawing on the funds.
The problem faculty members have raised during University Council meetings and University Faculty executive committee meetings whose payments in the interest-bearning accounts.
"These are interest-earning accounts, so the sooner they get there, the better," he said.
JONES ESTIMATED faculty members might lose $1 a month in interests, but a 1979 report from a FacEx committee report said the amount could be as much as $5.
Jones said the delay was caused by an announcement made by the Division of Accounts and Reports in 1983.
He said no payments could be transferred to retirement funds until all payrolls were processed. Although most state employees are paid on the first of the month, a few are paid
Jones said these late payments arose when a new employee was paid for the first time after arriving in the middle of the month, or if an employee received a salary change.
"They penalize the great majority of people to get information on a few people," he said.
JAMES COBLER, director of the Topeka
LAWENES, agreed the problem rested in the
computer system, which he said was more than 25 years old.
"When this system was designed, there was no such thing as a payroll deduction," he said. "When everyone wanted the retirement system, we told them it would be added to an awkward
and cumbersome system. They said 'Fine,
anothing.' "
Now that new people have joined the ranks of kings, they are also they're complaining about the system. Collier said, "They're complaining."
The new deduction system would involve several complex computer programs, he said. He estimated that system might go on line in January 1983.
He said he had been working for two years to change the present system. The computer already uses 120 programs for 50,000 employees scattered around the state, he said.
MARTIN SAID the payment system had improved a little since FacEx first discussed it in 1979. He said payments sometimes were delayed five weeks.
He checked with Cobler and learned the delay was caused by late payroll checks from the University of Kansas Medical Center. The Med Center pays its employees every two weeks, so some pay checks are not processed until the end of the month.
Cobler now processes the Med Center checks separate from all others.
"It used to be five weeks, and we've hammered that back to about three-and-a-half weeks," Jones said. "That's still not satisfactory in most people's opinions."
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JOHN EISELE/Kansan Staff
Fall is here
Muri Beal, 1820 University Drive, a retired public accountant, stopped to chat as he raked leaves in his yard yesterday afternoon, the first day of Fall.
Committee proposes cut in ISA funding request
Staff Reporter
By MICHAEL ROBINSON
In its second night of supplementary budget hearings last night, the Student Senate Finance and Auditing Committee tentatively decided to cut the Iranian Student Association's requested
The committee questioned the ISA's request because of a University Daily Kansan report that the group would use some of the money to pay for repairs of the damages at the Kansas Union.
In a Kansas article yesterday, ISA leaders said they would need $110 to repair damages at the Union caused by a Sept. 12 clash between ISA students and pro-Khomeini Iranians.
"My question is, why didn't they ask us last night," said Tom Berger, graduate student
Some committee members questioned whether ISA could receive funds at all.
"I think we have to look very hard at funding a group that conducts itself the way this one does," said Loren Busby, chairman of the committee. "This is not really enough to be handling Student Senate funds."
But Becky Pyles, graduate student senator,
said the committee should not have made any decision to fund the group because of its behavior last spring, when the ISA was under in-
PYLES SAID, and the committee agreed, that without specific charges, the committee could not cut funding because of the group's philosophical clashes with other Iranian facets.
"The point is, let's go on the basis of the evidence." Berger said.
The committee tentatively decided to give the ISA $135 to rent a movie projector for each of its nine meetings instead of the $530 the ISA had requested.
Final deliberations will be next Tuesday or Wednesday.
The committee decided on the first night of hearings that its decisions would be tentative until it heard every group's request.
The committee also heard the funding requests of nine other groups including the United States Student Association.
PAT MCQUEEN, co-director of the USSA at KU, said the organization, a national student lobbying group, filled a need by representing students on the national level.
"Presently on the KU campus, there is no group that addresses needst, at least not ours."
Bren Abbott, student body vice president, said the organization was $100,000 in debt and questioned whether it would continue.
and was being reduced further. She said USSA would not fold.
But McQueen said the debt was now $70,000
And she said the organization could inform local students about national issues.
"It could also raise the consciousness of students on this campus about what is going on there."
ABBOTT AND BERT Coleman, student body president, patient said USSA did not repre-
Other groups the committee reviewed last night were KU Science Fiction Club, the Music Therapy Students Association, the KU Formosan Club, Sigma Delta Chi, the Stouffer Club, Earthwatch and the Micrometeorology Society the African Students Association and the KU Solar Energy Club.
Weather
Today will be partly sunny with a high of 80, according to the KU Weather Service. Winds will be out of the south at 8-14 mph.
the south at 5:14 inp Tonight will be cloudy with a slight chance of rain and a low of 60.
Tomorrow will be partly sunny with a high of 78.
Youth group gets extension on lease of old Nash home
By JOE REBEIN Staff Reporter
Lawrence City Commission last night opened the door for a local agency for battered women to acquire the use of the old Bert Nash home.
The commission voted 3-2 to extend the lease on the building, which O'Connell Youth Ranch holds, until September 30, 1982, when Women Transitional Care Services will decide whether they have the funding to assume the lease on the building.
O'CONNELL USES the building at Fourth and Missouri streets for short-term emergency placement of you. However, JCW wants to borrow a shirt shorter for battered women and their children.
"We felt our needs were equally intense and compatible to 'O'Connell." Patricia Doria, director, noted. "We weren't just interested and had considered our funding too shaky and that we weren't considered a legitimate
Mayor Marci Francisco and Commissioners Nancy Shontz and Torm Gleason voted for the proposal, which was seen as a no-win decision between the two organizations.
WTCS must not be able to find a suitable replacement of their current three-bedroom shelter facility before Sept. 30, 1982, and if they can meet the amount negotiated by O'Connell for reimbursing the improvements that have made, they will warrant the lease of the building on Jan. 1, 1983.
agency. But now we have the funding and have
a buffer for the community for a shatterer for battered women.
Gleason added an amendment that set the stage for WTCS possible acquisition of the technology.
If WTCS finds another home, or they can't raise the money to reimburse O'Connell, then O'Connell will continue to hold the lease on the building until Dec. 31, 1983.
Commissioner Barkley Clark originally made a motion to grant O'Connell a three-year lease on
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Educators differ on merits of trade schools
By JANE NEUFELD
Staff Writer
The value of a four-year college education in today's iob market is an open question.
Some students, eager for limited jobs in a tight economy, are turning to trade and technical schools for fast vocational training and the opportunity to start work in a matter of months, particularly in business, electronics and computer science.
A STUDY BY THE Free University Network, a Manhattan-based group, shows that the number of business, engineering and computer courses offered in all schools has steadily increased in the last three years. Business courses have doubled since 1978.
Trade schools emphasize learning job skills rapidly and do not have the course distribution of their traditional counterparts.
The costs of the schools vary, but students can often save money because the program is shorter, usually lasting from two months to two years.
A student who graduates from a trade school gets a diploma, but not a bachelor's degree. Schools may be accredited by an organization, Association of Independent Colleges and Schools.
TIME AND MONEY saved are the major reasons students come to technical schools, according to Mary Anne Moore, executive vice president of Platt College, an Overland Park school specializing in business and drafting and design.
"They don't have the time or the money to go to the four-year college where a lot of the courses they take are not going to relate to anything on the job." Moore said this week.
"The idea behind a four-year college is to make you a well-rounded student. People don't
But Victor Wallace, chairman of the
University of Kansas computer science
administration supported by
attending technical schools were deceptive.
"They are economical, but you pay for it in the equipment you get to use, in the amount of personal attention you get, in the level of professional training of the instructor, in the level of difficulty." You'd probably do a lot of that with many
Quenson said that sometimes students' expectations were too high, but that the school provided job counseling and emphasized that studying textbook cases of management problems wasn't an automatic ticket to a management job.
"What I found out was I had been trained to be the company of the company and nobody offered me that."
'The idea behind a four-year college is to make you a well-rounded student. People don't care about that anymore.'
Mary Anne Moore
potential KU students were going to technical schools instead. The computer science department is the fastest-growing department on campus, he said.
John Tolson, dean of the Business, agreed that KU had not lost many students to the war.
"We don't notice any particular change in the interest people have in combining business education with a general University one," Tallefson said.
NORMAN CAPPS, director of the Electronic Computer Programming Institute in Kansas City, Mo., said some college students expected to start at a high management position.
When he graduated from college, Capps said,
Administrators of both technical schools and colleges laud their particular systems. College administrators say their students have a broader education and consequently are better qualified for higher-paid jobs and management positions. Technical school administrators say their students have more practical experience and a better idea of what to expect in the working world, and consequently are more realistic in their job expectations.
He said business was a flexible field and job advancement mostly depended on an individual's talents, but the broader education of college students made them more likely can-
"It's not unusual for people receiving a baccalaureate or an MBA to have somewhat unrealistic expectations about the kind of job they're going to get," Tolleson said. "They should not, as a result of brief experience, necessarily expect a managerial job at the outset."
Wallace agreed.
"There's no question," he said. "The need in computer science is much stronger at the bachelor's level than the associate and at the master's level than the bachelor's. PhDs go around essentially asking their price. Your degree is essentially determined by your degree."
NON-COLLEGE graduates were more likely to end up in lower-earceh jobs, he said, or doing a job that required college education.
"The person with a college degree in computer science doesn't expect to have to be a grunt," Wilson said.
But Jim Cummins, admissions representative of the Kansas City Business College in Kansas City, Mo., said students and corporations should have knowledge of the value of courses not directly job-related.
"What we are teaching is basically a no-frills type education," Cummins said. "The prerequisite of a liberal arts college do not
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