'Great Debate' Copies TV Pros By Frank Morgan "You want to know why there's a prestige loss? I'll tell you why because you Democrats have controlled the Congress for the past six years. You can't try and fool this audience with generalities . . give them the real facts," said one, thrusting his finger at the opposite end of the table. "Well, I'm happy to hear that the Republicans are finally admitting that there is a prestige loss," responded the object of the thrust. What was slated as KU's sequel to the TV debates, turned out to be just that—with the issues still as clouded, the answers just as evasive and the debaters no more victorious. The participants took to their The participants took to their task in deadly earnest. From the heated intensity of their efforts, one would have thought the candidates were in the Big Eight Room of the Kansas Union last night. Charles McIwaine, Wichita senior and Young Republicans president, and Scott Stanley, Bethel law student, formed the Republican team. Philip Brooks, Independence Mo., junior and Young Democrats president, and Richard Wood Kansas City, Mo., junior and chairman of KU Students for Kennedy-Johnson, represented the Democratic side. Scott Stanley The one and one-half hour debate was styled on the format used by Kennedy and Nixon with short opening remarks, questions from two faculty members and then rebuttals. CLIFFORD P. KETZEL, John Grumm and Earl A. Nehring, assistant professors of political science presided and questioned each side. "The stunted economic growth, the despicable farm program, the tragic lack of care for the aged, the definite loss of prestige abroad and the absence of leadership . . . all these are problems of the Eisenhower administration which Mr. Nixon has said he is such a great part of." Brooks led off. "The Democrats and their slogans ...," McIlwaine said. "We had Wilson and the 'New Freedom' before World War I. FDR and the 'New Deal' before World War II. Then we had the artillery captain from Pendergastland, the 'Truman Doctrine,' before the Korean conflict. And now we have the playboy politician and his 'New Frontier.'" "His platform is the blueprint for the greatest paternal government and welfare state the world has ever seen. It reached the saturation point of promises..." Prof. Nehring asked the Democrats what Kennedy would do in foreign affairs that is significantly different from the present. Brooks answered that Kennedy has already presented a six-point program in the Senate concerning foreign policy. Philip C. Brooks "Those aren't new approaches, those are old programs," Stanley countered. "Kennedy's just speaking sentences, not new ideas. How about Truman's ideas . . . at Yalta and Potsdam? He lost 60 million people to the Communists in Europe and then let 600 million more go behind the Bamboo Curtain." Prof. Grumm asked the Republicans if they agreed the Eisenhower administration has failed to maintain U.S. prestige abroad. "We most certainly have not failed." said McIwaine. "We have 50 defense pacts with nations around the world and we have had seven years of peace and prosperity. I challenge the Democrats to try and match that record." "DEFENSE PACTS?" Brooks said. "What about the Baghdad pact . . . we can't even get into the country to talk about defense." Woods broke in: "Defense pacts? How many of those came during the Eisenhower administration." And on it went. On Nixon: "Like Sen. Taft said, 'a little man in a big hurry with a mean face.'" On Kennedy: "We're the victims of the greatest Madison Avenue hoax ever perpetrated on the American people." Even Harry S. Truman's colloquialisms portending the destiny of Republican voters didn't escape the barrage. "I suspect HST would be the last one the good Lord would consult about anyone's spiritual well-being." McIlwaine said. Daily hansan LAWRENCE, KANSAS 58th Year, No. 36 Civil Rights Opinions Traded At Democracy League Meet Friday, Nov. 4, 1960 "I don't think that Docking would give minorities the time of day. . . . I'm a Democrat and voted for Docking the last time he ran. . . ." "I wasn't sure how Anderson stood on civil rights. He said he supported them, but before he spoke we had discussed most of the things he said he favored and he knew they would bring him votes. I wonder how sinceere he is. . ." "THEIS IS VERY strongly with us. He is the one candidate who favors strong civil rights legislation. . . "Schoeppel has a civil rights record as bad as any southern senator . . . " These were some of the comments of voters, students, and supporters of strong civil rights legislation in Kansas who expressed their opinions last night in the Lawrence Community Building at a meeting of the Lawrence League for the Practice of Democracy. 'Phog' Dreams... KU Stadium Built By John Peterson Last night, 40 years later, Dr. Allen was sitting in his office recalling the 1920 season. For it was the Nebraska football game that year that brought the entire chain of events to a head. Last night, Phog was the oldtimer recalling the days of yesteryear in all their spirit and glory. It was just a dream to start with but it ended with Kansas building a new football stadium and the birth of that great upsurge of school spirit for which the Jayhawkers are now famous. Kansas had a so-so football team in 1920. In fact, Kansas was just a so-so athletic power with a football stadium of rotting, unstable wooden bleachers. HIS NOW FAMED dream came the night before the Iowa State football game. The Cyclones were big and highly favored over KU, outweighing the Jayhawks 27 pounds per man. Forrest C. (Phog) Allen was athletic director, basketball coach and football coach that year. That night, before the game, a dejected Coach Allen went to bed. It was his custom in those days to tie pad and pencil next to his head on the bedstead so that he could write down any inspirations he might get in a dream during the night so they Weather Northeast~considerable cloudiness developing today followed by occasional rain tonight and continuing Saturday. Cooler Saturday, high today lower 60s. Low tonight around 40. wouldn't be forgotten the next morning. Coach Allen had a dream — the dream saw eleven Kansas football players in an airplane taking off against Iowa State and flying right over the Cyclones' heads on the first play to a touchdown. Carrying the ball on that play was Harley Little. PHOG SAID HE HAD always been a believer in hunches and decided to (Continued on page 8) Two Rembrandts Stolen from KU Two Rembrandt etchings were stolen yesterday afternoon from the Spooner-Thayer Art Museum. Their value is unknown but they are of "unestimable value to the Museum." Edward A. Maser, director of the art museum and assistant professor of art history, said someone entered the museum between 1 and 3 p.m. went to the second floor and took the etchings from the wall in the northwest print gallery. "The etchings were small and portable," he said. "They were matted and framed and about 8 by 10 inches in size." There are no guards at Spooner Hall and the stairs to the second floor cannot be seen from Prof. Maser's office. "It will take some time to determine their actual market value," Prof. Maser said sadly, "but it is impossible to estimate their value to the museum." Lawrence and Campus Police have been notified of the robbery, the first at the museum since 1954. ON OCT. 8, members of the LLPD went to Topeka to speak with political candidates and to determine their stand on the civil rights issues. WHO WILL IT BE?—The three Homecoming Queen finalists who were chosen from 10 semi-finalists last night are, left to right, Sherryl Duckworth, Fredonia sophomore, Alpha Chi Omega; Janice Guyot, Arkansas City junior, Kappa Alpha Theta, and Sharon O'Neal, Kansas City, Kan., sophomore, Chi Omega. Among the candidates were Gov. George Doeking, Atty. Gen. John Anderson Jr., Frank Theis, and a representative of Sen. Andrew F. Schoenpel. The group agreed they were not impressed with Gov. Docking's land on civil rights. PROF. SHAFFER said Anderson took a stand for civil rights when questioned in Topeka. He favored "putting teeth into the Kansas Anti-Discrimination laws," Prof. Shaffer said. It was said that when Gov. Docking was questioned by a member of the panel concerning cuts in the budget of the Kansas Anti-discrimination Commission, he was evasive in his answers. Anderson said he would strengthen the anti-discrimination laws by imposing a $1,000 fine on anyone convicted of unfair labor practices, Prof. Shaffer said. Prof. Shaffer then gave his impressions of the civil rights views of the senatorial candidates. One member of the LLPD questioned Anderson's sincerity last night and wondered if he really wanted civil rights legislation or if he was simply campaigning for votes. HE SAID SCHOEPPEL was represented by his administrative assistant, Joseph Scupitz, who said that the senator supported integration and civil rights issues and said "if you believe in civil rights send him back to Washington." Prof. Shaffer ponted out that the senator's voting record indicated a different position. THE RECORD showed that Sen. Schoeppel voted with the southern bloc for seven out of eight proposals against civil rights legislation, Prof. Shaffer said. Of 19 other civil rights issues, Sen. Schoeppel voted with the southern senators on 12 of them, he added. Prof Shaffer said Mr. Theis indicated his support of civil rights issues by answering yes to all questions on a questionnaire sent to all the political candidates. The questionnaire asked if candidates favored and would support increased effectiveness of the antidiscrimination commission; an amendment that will broaden the public accommodation statute; broadening the scope of the antidiscrimination Commission to include processing complaints of denials of public accommodation; prohibiting discrimination in sales, mainly of real estate, and processing of complaints of denial of equal opportunities to purchase or lease publicly assisted housing by the Kansas Anti-Discrimination Commission. Nikita Ousted Rumor States By United Press International An Austrian who claimed he worked for the Soviet embassy in Vienna walked into newspaper offices in the Austrian Capital today and started a world-wide rumor that Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev had been deposed in a military coup. "NONSENSE," said Soviet officials in London, New York and Berlin. And in Moscow, correspondents reported that everything was normal and that Khrushchev, so far as was known, was still vacationing in the Caucasus. But the rumors had been widely circulated hours before the Soviet disclaimers came, and they wound up as large headlines in newspapers (Continued on page 3)