Wednesday, October 25,1978 11 NU, OU setting stage for big fight By the Associated Press The two bottom teams in the Big Eight share one other distinction—they're tied for first. KU and Iowa State, both 0-3 in the con- ference, win 110.3 yards a game through the air. Kansaas' other claim to fame in the weekly statistics is Mike Hubach, for the third week the league's best buster. After kicking six times with a 45.3-yard average on each kick against Oklahoma State, he boosted his lead to 40 on 40 points. That is nuthest in the country. In other categories, Nebraska and Oklahoma rank l-2 in three offensive companies. The only team that lost to Nebraska was the A battle of the titans may be taking shape for the Nov. 10 Oklahoma-Nebraska clash in the same mold as 1971, when the two Big Ten teams met for the national championship. Nationally, the fourth-ranked Hukers lead in total offense, with 503.1 yards a game, and scoring, averaging 41 points an outing. Oklahoma is at fortnite 43.0 and 40, and the Sooners are on top in rushing with 143 points a game. Nebraska is second with 335.9. PASSING IS THE only team statistic in the Big Eight not dominated by Oklahoma and Nebraska. Kansas State, sixth nationally, leads the league with 107 conquests and 69 points per average of 228.1. Nebraska is dead at 167.1, and the Sooners are dead last with 77.3. Nebraska's steamrolling Huskers also lead in two Big Eight defensive categories, again with Oklahoma second. In rushing defense, the Huskers are giving up an average of 198.7 a game, and Oklahoma 162.1. In scoring defense, Nebraska and Oklahoma are tied at 14.4, and Nebraska's total score of 243.9 shades Oklahoma's 287.9. Individually, Oklahoma's Billy Sims is sporting credentials worthy of the nation's newest entry in the Heisman Trophy race. His 231-yard effort against Iowa State was No. 1 in the rankings to 129.1. His average of 7.9 yards a play is on the巾业 and his total of 947 is fifth Kansas State quarterback Dan Manucci leads in passing and total offense, although Sims and Sooner player kicker Uwe von Schmann are 1-2 in scoring, with 68 and 58 points. Ediger returns to drills Fullback Max Ediger, who had been sidelined with a pulled hamstring muscle, is expected to play in Saturday's homecoming game with Iowa State. KU's injury situation, however, is still critical. "He's a little rusty," head coach Bud Moore said yesterday, but Ediger can learn quicker than most people because he has been around for a while." Linebacker John Calovich also returned to practice yesterday after being out with a Four regular starters remained out with injuries yesterday. Wingback Jumble Little is out with a brushed shoulder, linebacker Scellars Young has an ankle injury, wingback VanDer Veser Wingback Little is out with a brushed back. Dan Wanager is out with a brushed back. Linebackers Buford Johnson and Kyle McNorton also missed practice yesterday because of injuries. Johnson has an ankle injury and McNorton hurt his shoulder. "Hopefully, we will get some people back Wednesday," Moore said. Stressing defensive strategy in practice yesterday, Moore said the session was one of the better ones the team had had this season. Missouri's Phil Bradley is narrowing the gap. Manu Capucini has passed for 1,500 yards. Bradley 1,011. In total offence he scored 364. Nebraska Torn Sorrell is third in each department. N "We got some things done," he said. "We worked on our defense to get it ready for the war." He'd give a different daff face. "They have a lot of different ways of setting the ball to Dexter Green." Howard Ballage of Colorado, with a 100-yard effort against Nebraska Saturday, led in kickoff returns with an average of 34.8. Nebraska's Kenny Brown took over the lead in punt returns from Freddie Jones. Brown is averaging 17.8. Nixon 9.5. KANSAS STATES' Charley Green remains the leader in receiving, with 464 yards on 28 catches, followed by Junior Miller of Nebraska with 376 on 20. Green, Iowa State's all-time leading scorer with 204 points, ranks third in the Big Eight rushing statistics, averaging 96.3 yards a game. He is also fourth on the all-time Big Eight rushing charts, with 3,292 yards. Mike Hubach Darrol Ray of Oklahoma is the interception leader with 5 thefts and 99 yards in returns. Von Schammann leads in field goals with 10, followed by Pete Dadiotis of Colorado, Jeff Brockhaus of Missouri and Billy Todd of Nebraska, with five each. Eugene Goodlow of Kansas State, the No. 3 pass receiver is tops in all-purpose run nang, averaging 150.7. Sims is next, at 144.1, followed by Brown at 143.4 and Iowa State at 142.9. JAYHAWK FOOTBALL TOURS K.U. vs. M.U. 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