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University Daily Kansan
Campus/Area
Thursday, Sept. 19, 1985
Carlin to seek trade on trip
The Associated Press
TOPEKA — Gov. John Carlin leaves today on a 10-day trade mission to three European countries as he tries to drum up new business investments and jobs for Kansas.
The governor is scheduled to visit five nations during the trip, which his chief spokesman, Michael Swenson, described as a "follow-up to the trade mission in May 1984."
During the earlier visit, Carlin spent 16 days in Europe, stopping in England, West Germany and France on an excursion paid for by the Kansas Cavalry — an organization of private businessmen designed to spur economic and industrial development.
Taxpayers will pay for the latest junket at an estimated cost of $50,000.
Accompanying Carlin will be an entourage of a dozen, including
staff members Jim Ploger and Pam Horton Curtis. In addition, Charles "Jamie" Schwartz, secretary of economic development, and four of his aides will make the trip.
Also traveling with the group is Carlin's sister, Ann Carlin Azegovich from Traverse City, Mich, and four lawmakers — Senate President Robert V. Talkington, R-Iola; Sen. Paul Feleciano, D-Witchia; Republican Majority Leader Jim Braden, R-Clay Center; and Minority Leader Marvin Barkis, D-Louisburg.
The governor's sister will pay her own way, as will the spouses of staff and legislators.
Carlin will fly to Amsterdam, Netherlands, and then go on to Brussels, Belgium, where he will meet tomorrow with members of the European Economic Community and the commissioner for agriculture.
The governor will spend the night
in Brussels and attend dinner with executives of the Toyota Corp. On Saturday, Carlin will fly to Munich, West Germany, for another round of meetings with industrial leaders. The group will spend four nights in Munich.
Then it's on to Stuttgart, West Germany, where Carlin will meet with senior executives of Daimler-Benz, the parent firm of the Mercedes-Benz automobile manufacturer.
In France, Carlin will meet with a number of agriculture and food industry executives.
Carlin will leave for Geneva, Switzerland, where he hopes to meet with senior executives of the Nestle Corp., before traveling to Paris, where he will spend two days.
The return flight from Paris to Kansas City, Mo., is set for Sunday, Sept. 29.
Man sought in 2 K.C. attacks
KANSAS CITY, Mo. — A man who shot and wounded a police officer is also being sought as a suspect in the slaying of a 72-year-old man shot earlier the same evening near his home, authorities said yesterday.
United Press International
Shortly after 10:36 p.m. Tuesday, Patrol Officer Donald Treece, who was unaware of the homicide that had occurred a short time earlier, stopped the driver of a car for a traffic violation and was struck in the shoulder by gunfire.
The officer returned fire, striking
the side of the vehicle — a late model Oldsmobile found abandoned about four blocks away a short time later.
Treece, 25, was treated at a hospital and released. His assailant remained at large early yesterday afternoon, said Sgt. John McEteen of the police department's homicide unit.
The homicide victim, identified as Jack O. Jorgenson, was found in the street at 40th and Norton near his home, said Detective Larry Wilson of the department's crimes against persons unit. He was dead at the scene, police said.
A motive for the slaying was not immediately determined, police said. Jorgenson, who lived alone just several doors from where his body was found, apparently was not robbed. He had money in his wallet and house keys still in his possession, McEntee said.
Jorgenson was apparently coming back to his residence or leaving his residence when he was shot, police said. An autopsy determined that he suffered two gunshot wounds to the chest, McEntree said.
KCC determines rates for pay-phone owners
United Press International
TOPEKA — The state yesterday set rates that may be charged by telephone companies to people who want to connect their own pay telephones to phone company lines.
In a brief administrative meeting, the Kansas Corporation Commission decided how much Southwestern Bell Telephone Co. and United Telephone Co. will be allowed to charge for this service.
Commissioners said the local telephone companies might charge a pay phone owner a $30 a month access charge, plus a per message rate of 7 cents for Bell and 8 cents for United. There also would be the regular one-time business connection charge to begin service.
The $30 access charge was based on evidence that Bell's cost to provide the service is $22.86, while
United's is $26.90. The per message rates were established on the basis of Bell's cost per three-minute message of 5 cents and United's 6.7 cents.
That would mean, for example, that a coin telephone owner on the Bell system would be allowed to keep 18 cents from each 25-cent call made by a telephone user.
The commission also set a $5 a month rate for an operator screening service that would be provided by the telephone company. The service would ensure that no operator-assisted toll calls would be incurred on the coin phone unless the caller paid for them.
The KCC decided last October to allow private firms to specialize in coin-operated telephone service on lines provided by the regular phone company franchised to serve an area.
Pachyderm is injured
The Associated Press
KANSAS CITY, Mo. — Penny, a 6,000-pound elephant at the Kansas City Zoo, reached through a hydraulic gate for an apple and the gate slammed shut, cutting off 10 inches of her trunk, a zoo official said yesterday.
"She is doing great, as well as can be expected. She has been allowing handlers to feed her," Rich Block, director of the zoo's public relations, said yesterday.
He said handlers would handfeed her about 150 pounds of hay each day and give her water from a hose until the trunk has healed.
She was in pain after the accident Tuesday, Block said, but has received pain medication with her food.
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The Bible record of sayings credited to Jesus is quite meager. After allowance for duplication in four gospel accounts, these sayings could be printed in two columns of a newspaper. None of this handful of texts is an explicit claim of deity. All quotations are implicit, that is they require interpretation. We are told what Jesus said and then told what he meant. So our methodology takes an obvious form.
It is not our intention or obligation to reinterpret the Bible. We are satisfied to merely verify that Christian interpretations are insufficient, ambiguous, or impossible. We mean to argue:1) that where the meaning of a quotation is clear, it is still insufficient to prove that Jesus claimed equality with God;2) that other quotations cited are open to various interpretation, ambiguous;3) and that still other quotations have been given interpretations that are impossible. This means the evidence is either inadequate, inconclusive, or unacceptable, respectively.
Insufficient Evidence
The virgin birth of Jesus and the miracles he demonstrated are cited by some as proof of his divinity. The insufficiency of the premise is obvious. We need only read the Biblical account of Adam's creation, without father or mother, and the accounts of miracles associated with the prophet Elisha (Genesis and 2 Kings chapters 4,5,6). In the case of these two men, no Christian asserts their divinity, yet each has a qualification in common with Jesus.
Some maintain that Jesus was God because the Hebrew scriptures predicted his coming. The inadequacy here is only slightly less apparent. The ancient Hebrew scriptures are also cited as predicting the role of John the Baptist (Malachi chapter 4). These three arguments are mentioned to show that the ready claims of Christians betray a selective or forgetful recall of scripture. They know the fact of the virgin birth as well as they know the account of Adam's origins, yet they interpret the first and overlook the second.
Now to pursue our case directly. Does the Bible quote Jesus as claiming equality with God? Bible texts are produced to show that Jesus used the terms "son of man" "son of God" "Messiah" and "saviour". But each of these terms is applied to other individuals in the Bible. Ezekiel was addressed as "son of man" (Ezekiel chapter 13). Jesus himself speaks of peacemakers as " sons of God" (Matthew 5:9). Cyrus the Persian is called "Messiah" at Isaiah 45:1. The duplicity of translators is manifested here, for they inevitably render only the of the word "Messiah" which is "annointed". Where other Bible verses seem to refer to Jesus, they prefer to transliterate "Messiah" or the Greek equivalent "Christ". In this way they hope to give the impression that there is only one Messiah. As for "saviour", the word is applied to other than just Jesus (2 Kings 13:5). Christians choose to cite the fourth-chapter of Isaiah as proof that there is only one saviour. Again translators have tried to obscure the fact that God is the only saviour in the same ultimate sense that He is our only nourisher and protector, though men have also been assigned these tasks. By overspecifying this pronouncement in Isaiah they hope to have us believe that God equals saviour and that Jesus equals saviour therefore Jesus equals God. The conspiracy of modern translation is demonstrated. The King James Bible of 1611 is everywhere available. Compare it to the more recent translation of the New American Bible of this century. In the earlier version we find 2 Kings 13:5 contains the word "saviour" but the newer version the synonymous word "deliverer" has been substituted. In fact, "saviours", the plural, will be found at Obadiah 21 and Nehemiah 9:27. Here again, by substituting a different word, the connotation of divinity tied to the word "saviour" has been guarded in modern versions by less than honest translation.
Once more we have exhibited the insufficient warrant of arguments offered: Those terms said to connote divinity are used of individuals other than Jesus.
There is a quotation that should be mentioned here also. At John 8:58 it is reported that Jesus said, 'Before Abraham was, I am.' Even if Jesus meant to claim by these words that he was alive before Abraham was, is this sufficient ground to say that he was divine? If Jesus lived in heaven then came to earth it might mean something remarkable, but it would not be enough to establish him as God incarnate. Additionally, it should be noted that these words are open to other interpretations. Christians do not imagine that the prophet Jeremiah had a prehuman existence and so they find a very suitable way of interpreting the words of Jeremiah 1:15 which portray such a situation, if taken literally. Why not apply a similar understanding in the case of John 8:58?
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