University Daily Kansan, August 21, 1980 Page 15 Records 1968 To 1979 KU Bowls Dek Morris of KU recovered a fumble by the favored engineers from Georgia Tech at the Bayer campus, where Ray Eavens boiled nine yards to the 3-foot-line. Bauer Kassherky McLennan McBurney had two passes. KANSAS 6 8 13 8-33 RICE 6 8 13 8-33 Jayhawks out of a 4-yard run back job Holl Out of deep pout formation late in the first half to sweep past the Rice Owls in 1988 Orange Bowl KANSAS 0 7 0 7-14 PENN STATE 0 7 0 7-15 1973 Pittsburgh ST. KANSAS 0 19 0 8-18 N.CAROLINA ST. 0 19 7 16-31 years have never rough ones for the Kansas team as the graph shows. During that period, KU went to three bowl games: 1969 Orange Bowl, 1973 Liberty Bowl and 1975 Sun Bowl. KU's bowl record, including a loss in the 1948 Orange Bowl and 1961 Bluebonnet Bowls, is 1-4, as the summary shows. But in 1975, KU pulled off a stunning upset of Oklahoma 23-3 in Norman. The head coach, Bud Moore, was mobbed by KU fans when the team bus returned to Lawrence. 18-19 Sunflower KANASS 0 0 0 7 12-19 PITTSBURGH 0 7 12 0 14-33 Wrong . . . from page 1 are fired because of losing seasons. These seasons are brought on by firing coaches. Changing coaches adds to the already troublesome problem of recruiting. Players like to think that the coach who recruits them will be around when they finish school. And the coach must also recruit successfully in his own state. "MY GOOD YEARS the team had a lot of great Kansas players," Rodgers says. "John Riggins, Bobby Douglass and John Zook, for example. Most of the players from the 1969 Orange Bowl team were Kanans." Since Rodgers left, the best players have been Kansans. Three of the greatest offensive players in school history were natives. Laverne Smith of Wichita left KU in 1976 as the leading rusher. David Jaynes of Bonner Springs left in 1973 as the most successful passer. And Cromwell of Ranson left in 1976 after leading the wishbone as well as anyone could. KU is not alone in its attempts to sweep up the stars from the home state. The University of Oklahoma, always one of the best in the Big Eight and the nation, makes an annual sweep or near sweep of Oklahoma, making life miserable for Oklahoma State fans. (answers may differ between Oklahomaans and Texans by stealing some of Texas' best blue chipppers.) KU'S PROBLEMS with tradition do not stop with winning and losing. The Big Eight is traditionally one of the toughest conferences in the country, and that is yet another disadvantage to breaking the Vicious Circle. "It is very difficult to be consistent in a league like the Big Eight," Rodgers says. "Put Alabama in the league with Nebraska, Oklahoma, Colorado and Missouri and they wouldn't be able to win as they do now." Some experts say that every team in the Big Eight could defeat the best team in the Ivy League handily. If KU were playing the Ivy Leaguers that year, fine, but Oklahoma, Nebraska and Missouri continue to appear on the schedule. The past 10 years have also been the best in conference history. The Big Eight compiled a 230-97-4 record in the 70s against non-conference fees. Even the Big Ten with a 23-18 record. But that leaves a 51-47-2 record in the conference. THE BIG EIGHT won four national championships in the 70s, four Outland trophies for the best lineman and two Heismans. Big Eight teams traveled to 35 bowls and won 20. The Big Eight even defeated Oklahoma, Colorado in the final 121st pol. All of this further secured the Vicious Circle's grip on the Jayhawks. What player would choose to go to KU when a teammate is a possible national championship? It did not take long for the Circle to strike after the 1969 Orange Bowl. KU lost 15 scholarships for signing a player with the intent before the official signing date, "That was the most unfit penalty ever," Rodgers says. "You can't lose good potential and expect to win in the Big Eight. "Losing 15 schoolships hurts a team for at least four years. That is 15 guys that you didn't get and someone else did get. That makes about a total of 30. Now when you consider that one of those 15 guys was a teammate, that is a pretty stiff penalty and really punishes your team for a pretty minor violation." When Cromwell came, the winning came back—temporarily. His junior year, when he was voted the outstanding player in the conference, KU upset Oklahoma and went to the Sun Bowl. His senior year, KU was 4-1 before the Oklahoma game Oct. 16, 1976. Oklahoma was leading in the second quarter, but KU was driving when Cromwell came. When Cromwell played for the Jayhawks. And the Jayhawks have only won nine games since. Three were over Kansas State. THE NEXT SEASON KU went 1-9. Three more losing seasons followed. So much for any winning tradition from the Orange Bowl. Some of the first signs of breaking the Circle and start out a winning tradition will be "sold out" signs in the ticket windows at Memorial Stadium. These may have to be borrowed from Allen Fieldhouse because they have not been needed at the stadium for years. Another sign would be a television appearance. But losers rarely appear on television. KU last made the tube in the 1970s and has been able to Television has several built-in advantages. The most direct is the money, but any money from television is turned over to the conference and shared by its members. The big boys, Oklahoma and Nebraska, would welcome the chance for someone else's money for a change. TELEVISION ALSO means national exposure that benefits recruiting. Farnbrough would love to have the opportunity to call a recruit at halftime of a televised game as Swissor of Oklahoma has been known to do. Another partner of winning is alumni support, both as spectators and contributors. The Williams Educational Foundation offers one-on-one fund-raisers in the intercollegiate ranks. But the KU supporters do not travel in a sea of blue, as do the Sooner and Cornhusner booster clubs who color their uniforms with North Dakota or Nebraska play in Memorial Stadium. Tradition only comes from winning. But sellouts, road roots and television are means to that end. That support can be a selling point to bring in recruits. AND RECRUITS ARE the knights in shining jerseys that break the Vicious Circle. "Tradition is very important," Fambrough says. "We have it in basketball. It is easier to get the good recruits. The last two years have been very tough for recruiting; we can't tell and we can't tell." And go and a bowl game every year. "We have to convince them that they have a future at KU. We have to sell them on the positive things. We have to change their vision to change the way our team is going. "That's definitely one of the problems." That's the Vicious Circle. By KEVIN BERTELS Rodgers, head coach at Kansas from 1967 to 1970, will be a color man for ABC's television college football games. He is a member of Rodgers, but he wants one more thing. "I would love to do a KU game," he said. "They should have an exciting team. Don Fambrough (head coach and a former assistant to Rodgers) had an excellent recruiting year. But who knows if they will get on TV?" Old coaches never die, they just become sportscasters. Twenty-five years as a football coach should qualify for the national championship any rate, he has become a sportscaster. Sports Writer "When I was eight I just wanted to be nine, and that's how I live my life," Rodgers said. "Let me tell you something, one of my Rodgerisms. A man should live every day as if he will die tomorrow and work every day as if RODGERS SAID that he neither knew nor cared how long his career as a big-time broadcaster lasted. But the whir of cameras will not be completely new because he has appeared on television as a sidelight. New job adds spice to Pepper's career The odds are KU won't. Rodgers, who lives in Atlanta, is best remembered around Lawrence for his colorful quotes and 1989 Orange Bow队, a team that lost to Penn State on a last second two-point conversion. The state was given a second chance at the conference when it was caught with 12 men on the field for the unsuccessful first attempt. GEORGIA TECH fired Rodgers last year after six seasons, four winning, as head coach. His 1979 4-6-1 record was not good enough, the athletic department decided in January. Early in the summer, he signed with ABC-TV. "That was a heartbreaker for sure". "but what happened to us after that?" Maybe a little deep for television, he said. But he is preparing his anecdotes from his coaching days at KU, UCLA and Georgia Tech. "One of my assistant coaches signed up on a player a day before the national championship." THE NEXT SEASON was a disaster. You lost the league. You won one game and lost the season. before the deadline. Now that's a really major violation." Rodgers said sarcastically. "I'm surprised we didn't get the firing soud." Pepper Rodgers KU, seemingly in its way to respectability in the college football ranks, was denied the most severe penalty at CCA 2014 at that time for a recruiting violation. "What can you expect after a penalty like that?" Rodgers said. "If you take 15 scholarships from Oklahoma, and one of them is Billy Sims, they won't look very good either." The following season, 1970, KU finished 5-6 and Rodgers left for UCLA. This career record was 20-22, not exceedingly unequaled by any KU coach of the '70s. He had seven assistants. Five of those are now head coaches at major university programs. he will live forever. Now that's pretty deep stuff, isn't it?" Moore's exit from college football was brought on by a 1-10 season in 1978. A 3-1-7 record in 1977 did not help. But Moore played twice during days of the four-year reinion. IN 1975, his first season, the Jayhawks sprinted to a 7-5 record and a Sun Bowl bid. Moore was hailed as a genius for installing the wishbone offense. MOORE BECAME interested in the beer business while at KU. When he was fired before the final game of the 1978 season, he pursued the beer. Moore hits pay dirt with beer business By KEVIN BERTELS "I spent nearly six months trying to put the deal together, but I knew what I was going to do almost immediately after I left KU." "I decided to get out of coaching," he said. "I had been my own boss too long to work for anyone. I just happened onto the beer distributorship. "I're really amazing how similar the two careers, beer selling and coaching, are," Moore said. "You are trying to sell a product. And you are still controlled by a large number of regulations." Sports Writer Monday thru Saturday 9:00 - 5:30, Thursday to 8:30 "There has never been anyone who ran the wishbone as well as Nolan Cromwell." Moore said of his former star quarterback. Fortunately for Moore, and his liver, his isn't drinking all that beer. He's selling it. As owner and manager of Gator Distributors of Pensacola Fla., his most important duty is convincing store and bar owners in the Florida Panhandle to stock his beers, which include Miller, Pabst and Pearl. When Bud Moore lost his job as head football coach at Kansas, booze was the only answer. Rarely does a day go by that he isn't surrounded by beer. In fact, his mind is on beer most of every day. IN FACT, there isn't even a close sec- tion of speed and smartness in com- bination of speed, size and smartness. "He was just the best athlete that I ever saw," he said. "He will be an all-pro at defensive back (for the Los Angeles Rams), or I will be awfully surprised. He can do anything. We were very fortunate to have Nolan." KU and Moore were unfortunate when they left Cromwell. After running back to the end zone, KU "WE JUST DIDN'T have anyone to replace Nolan," he said. "Nobody was able to step in and perform the way he did. injured and had knee surgery. The team won only two more games and finished 8-5. After Cromwell's injury, the team lost out of 28 games before getting the ax. "Who knows what the 1976 team would have done? There were more quality people on that team compared to 1975. They always rank as my favorite team." The fun years could come again for KU football. Moore said. "There were few gifted athletes on that team. That was a fun year. The win over Oklahoma was a big thrill. We had fun the next year until Nolan was hurt. We were one of the top offensive teams in the nation until then." "FROM WHAT I understand, Don Bud Moore Fambrigh has recruited a lot of great football players, "he said. 'The fans up there want a win. There is nothing in the way that they are UF football fans that a winner won't cure." "I hope they give Fambrough to work with and not just lip service." As for moore, hisuture is secure. "I have moved around for quite a few years," he said. "Maybe it will be beer for the duration." to join We Want You!!! THE HARBOUR LITES' PITCHER CLUB Buy 10 pitchers at regular price/get (coming August 25) the 11th pitcher FREE!!! (Not valid during pitcher specials) Check out the other HARBOUR SPECIALS Ride our Harbour Bus to the football games THE HARBOUR LITES A FIRST CLASS DIVE 1031 Massachusetts You'll Like The Way We Talk Money SCHOOL EMPLOYEES CREDIT UNION 1015 W. 6th St. Lawrence, KS 66044 Phone (913)841-6150 A non-profit association with membership open to all who work for the various school systems of the state of Kansas and their families