10 Thursday, August 29, 1974 University Daily Kansan --- Ex-patients plan march... From Page One Some members of the panel replied by saying that there were some good things in the field of mental health, but that the problem still required only to point out the problems there still were. Lisa McNiel, a panel member who had been involved in the first national conference on Human Rights and Psychiatric Oppression, said, "I'm fighting to prevent other children from coming home and finding their mothers has been committed to caring for them. She explained that her stepfather committed her mother to an institution because she was ill. Others talked about problems of involuntary commitment of patients. Ted Chabasinski, who has worked with mental patients' rights in San Francisco. said he was committed when he was six. He said he was committed because he was a ward of the state and the hospital "needed someone to experiment on." Barbara M. G. Greaves, 1628 Cadet Ave., said she was committed unwillingly at the request of her husband. As a result, her five children were into foster homes until she was released. Football ticket prices . From Page One "I plan on sitting on the hill with a bottle of wine because I think it's just too much." "They cost to much, I'd like to buy one marcia, Marcia Jackson, washington, Kaiden." "I think that if you're paying to go to school here then you should be able to see the games free," said Kyle Stephens, Lawrence junior. She added that she thought the price was fair. "The games are a fun place to party," said Tom Moorman, Hutchinson senior. Other students, such as Sonda Bogard, Lawrence graduate student, think other- *** "I love football," the said. "My husband played here when we were undergraduate. We wouldn't miss the games no matter how much they cost." "You just have to go to the football games, said Sue Bolton, Kansas City, N.J. A student who identified himself only as Mark, Attichson sophomore, as he worked on most Saturdays and probably wouldn't be attending the games. "Consider what the tickets could cost, or they are far less said. Considering what they last year was." Oscar Rodriguez, El Savador special student, said he thought the tickets cost too much. "I don't plan to go to the games. I like soccer but not football." "I'm not buying a ticket. I don't have the money and I'm not much of a football fan anyway," said Janet Stevenson, Shawnee sophomore. "The prices seem really high but I'm buying a ticket anyway," said Joe Flores, Kansas City, Mo., freshman. "My friends from Kansas City would like to come, but if the prices are that high, I doubt if they'll come." Chris Cottrell, Shawnee sophomore, said he liked football and would buy a ticket. "There is nothing else to do on Saturday afternoons. They could have had a gradual price change but the price is fair. It's still lowest of the Big Eight schools," he said. "The price is okay, but I wouldn't pay much more," said Betty Longenkeer, . . Kansas City, Kan., sophomore. "I like football and am buying a ticket." said they simply weren't interested in football. Tom Kellogg, Lawrence senior, who hasn't seen a football game since high school, said he wasn't buying a ticket. He wasn't buying a ticket, and I wouldn't buy a ticket anyway." Cathy Jantsch, Wea freshman, said she wouldn't be going to all the games and might as well buy a ticket at each game," he said. "They were hard to find, and Lea Tennison, Lawrence sophomore, The final outcome of the controversy over ticket prices will be known in a few days after ticket sales close. Whether the cost affected sales is unknown at this time. Beiser and the Student Senate have decided to continue their involvement in the issue. "Mr. it our intention to work closely with "It Clyde Walker, director of athletics, in expressing our concerns and working our differences where they exist." Prisoners . . . From Page One On the first day of class, he had each class about himself and the class about himself, Reimberger said. "When it came his turn," he said, "one of our murderers stood and told us his man name." "For the first couple of minutes he was talking to the class, but he seemed to slip into a kind of trance as he talked. It was like a torture. He all over again as he told his story. In its "It was one of the most moving things I've ever seen," Reinheimer said. "THEIR INTEREST IN religion is mainly academic," he said, "rather than stemming from any kind of personal religious commitment." Tim Miller, lecturer in the school of religion, is teaching world religions this semester. He taught the same course at the prison last spring. Like every other course being taught at Leavenworth, Miller's class is filled. Like his colleagues, Miller found a broad spectrum of attitudes in his class, ranging from dedicated to frivolous. In general, he felt that the students were more spontaneous than classes at KU. "For one thing," he said, "I can never get my students at KU to call me by my first name. At Leavenworth it's no problem once I ask them to." Miller said he was amazed at the intelligence of the inmates and that, by comparison, some of the prison officials Regarding teaching conditions and facilities at the prison, the four teachers and staff must be trained. The biggest handicap to teaching a college course there, they said, was the absence of any usable library. Miller said that what passes for a library at Leavenworth is a random collection of discarded high school textbooks. This makes it virtually impossible for students to read or expect any college-level research papers, he said. ANOTHER SERIOUS DRAWBACK mentioned was the lack of adequate study time for both the 40-hour work week make it extremely difficult for the average prisoner to squeeze in enough studying to maintain a classroom performance, the teachers said. Despite crowded conditions, classroom facilities and teaching aides were generally regarded as very good. However, Lyle said he thought the program should use more films because they seemed to be more effective than other teaching aids. “Everything considered,” Miller said, “the academic achievements of some of these guys are amazing. They're brilliant, and it makes me sick to think of them in there wasting their talents making boots and license plates.” "You don't even have the right to go to the bathroom," she said. Other panel members talked of patients they had known or seen who had died from cancer, but none were interviewed. Su Budd, a former patient who has worked with local, Kansas City and national patients' groups, said she had known of the abuse that occurred to her patients and were published for such a request. York, said a big problem was the use of "protective restraints," which he said were widely used. He said such things as sheets, bedding, and stuffers were often used on both children and adults. She also said there was a problem for patients who were continually told they "If you're told you are sick, you begin to believe it," Bud said. "If you don't, you." Howie T. Harp, who worked with the Mental Patients Liberation group in New York. Harp also said mental patients were deprived of liberty without process of action (1). A few members on both the panel and in the audience compared treatment of mental patients in the United States with treatment of political prisoners in the Soviet Union. "People should not be locked in a room for the crime of being different," he said. 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