University Daily Kansan, November 12, 1982
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Vietnam
From page one
our sacerdite," he said. "We died fighting for the country. A lot of my baddies are engraved in that granite and every one of us were fighting under the American flag. It may be不礼貌able to forget the things that we talked about and our willingness to die for the country."
IF PEOPLE WANT to put up a political memorial, it should be there, possibly Kent State University where young Americans were killed in the war, of the war, he said, emphasizing the world power.
The Vietnam monument was built entirely with private contributions, unlike previous war memorials.
"They made us panhandle for our monument. I think it was symbolic of the unemployed Vietnam veteran, standing on the corner saying 'Hey, buddie, can you spare a quarter for a Vietnam memorial?' How do you think that makes us feel?"
"I didn't give a dime to that monument, and I don't intend to because I paid in blood the three times I was wounded, and I bled all over Vietnam. That's when I paid for that sucker."
MUSGRAVE LOOKED at a photograph on his desk of his platoon in Vietnam. The picture showed a group of young men standing on the plains near the Laotian border with a mountain range in the distance. They were shirtless and grimming.
"Most of these guys_are dead." Musgrave said.
"The young men in this picture didn't lose the war. It was lost long before we got there. We are not embarrassed. America is, but why? They
John Christiansen, a Baldwin City resident who works in Lawrence, spent a year over the jungles of Vietnam as a mortarman in the 101st Airborne Division.
UNLIKE MUSGRAVE, he seemed unconcerned about the memorial and the coinciding events in Washington as he worked to install a building in Jaguar XKE at a local sports car repair shop.
"That's nice." Christian斯 said absently when told of the monument.
He added abruptly, "I certainly am proud I went to Vietnam. I'm sorry that a lot of other people weren't. It's been quite some time, people are just as intense now as they were then."
Christiansen said he thought about his experiences in Vietnam "a couple of times a
"A lot of us don't really know what went on. I was just there. Once you’re there, you do the best you can," he said.
"The part that was most disgusting about the
war was the politics, and that's all it was,
politics. It wasn't politics for us."
MUSGRAVE SAID he thought that trust in the government had been severely damaged by the government.
"The reasons I was told I was going to fight in 1967 were different than the reasons the next administration told the young men who followed." Musgrave said.
He said he thought the war started as a well-meaned endearon but then went through a series of mutations. The old saying "the road to victory" is an appropriate comment on Vietnam, he said.
How do veterans think they were treated when he returned?
At best, Musgrave said, society ignored them; at worst, it treated them as if the war was theirs.
INDEED, THE pervading image of Vietnam veterans in this country is of drug-crazed psychopaths who constantly flash back to the war.
"That's bullshit. It's an easy stereotype," said Murgrave.
"To lump all Vietnam veterans into that kind of category is a racist type statement just so you don't have to deal with the facts."
During the Vietnam years, protests against the government policies that perpetrated the war on Hanoi have been growing.
While in Vietnam, Musgrave said, he did not object to the anti-war protesters' right to free speech. He said he was alienated, however, by his parents' opposition and "How many kids did you kill today?"
'They were talking about something they had no idea about, and they were blaming the wrong person.'
AFTER HIS convalescence, disillusioned by his experiences, Musgrave gave a national organizer and spokesman for Vietnam Veterans Against the War.
"'worked as hard to end the war when I was in the peace movement as I did when I was in the bush. It hurt me deeply to have to do it, but as an American citizen, I didn't feel I had any choice.'
If this country learned anything from the embittering experience of Vietnam, Musgrave said, it was that we are no longer as naive as we once were.
"A DEMOCRACY IS a system of government that functions on obligations," he said. "Part of that obligation is to scrutinize the government and their policies. We tend to forget that in a democracy we are the employer, and the representatives, including the president, are the employees who are supposed to support our views and best interests.
Satellite's launch shuttles in new era
"We, as citizens, have the obligation to stand up when they are not fulfilling their duty to us."
By BRET WALLACE Staff Reporter
When the SPS-3 satellite collides out the cargo bay doors of the space shuttle Columbia at 2:17 p.m. CST yesterday, it marked the beginning of a new communications, a KU professor said yesterday.
Sam Shamgun, professor of electrical engineering and head of the KU telecommunications program, said most American satellites would be launched from shuttles in the future. Up until yesterday, satellites were launched solely by rocket.
The SPS-3 satellite, which was the first commercial satellite launched from the space shuttle, is owned by Satellite Business Systems, Greensboro, N.C.
Shuttle launches allow companies to enjoy the benefits of launching larger satellites and paying for space.
Officials for Satellite Business Systems were at the John F. Kennedy Space Center, Cape Canaveral, Fla., to follow the shuttle and were unavailable for comment.
THE TWO COMPANIES launching satellites on Columbia's current trip paid $9 million each, officials for the National Aeronautics and Space Administration said.
The launch of a second satellite, owned by Teletast Canada, is scheduled for about 2 p.m. (10 a.m.) Tuesday.
Linda Rankin, director of public relations for Telesat, said shuttle launches cost about two-third less than rocket launches.
"ANYTHING THAT saves money is going to have a major impact on an industry," Rankin said.
Telesat was scheduled to launch a satellite this month, and executives there wanted to follow NASA's policy of changing over to satellite communications so they decided to use a shuttle launched she said.
Shamnugan said shuttle bays were large enough to carry satellites four times the size of a car.
"We felt very privileged to be among the first to enjoy the thrill and opportunity of a shuttle
"Satellites now launched have a diameter of seven or eight feet," he said. "The shuttle can fly."
No companies are developing larger rockets now because of the space shuttle, Shamnugan said.
Companies are developing larger satellites that are designed specifically for the shuttle, he said. Larger satellites will hold more receivers and transmitters, so more companies can use
them and reduce the number of satellites needed.
for satellites to have the best effect they need be located in orbital approximately over New Orleans.
THESE SPOTS are already full, so the
government is having to allow the satellites to be placed closer together, he said. With satellites closer together, companies will have to use bigger satellites or different frequencies. Signals will get mixed if one of these methods is not used; he said.
NASA photo/special to the Kansan
Hughes Aircraft Co. engineers completed work in August on the invention and making history for NASA and the telecommunications industry. The satellite in the foreground, the SBS F-2, was launched yesterday, and the ANIK C-3 in the background will be launched today.
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