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Fridav. October 15, 1976
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"At KU, the philosophy was to make education enjoyable and psychologically
AT ILLINOIS University, he said, it is more difficult.
"I call it a war of attrition—only the strongest get through it," he said. "People are much more demanding. At Kansas, it's much less structured."
Sutton, who taught at KU for 12 years and previously at the University of North Carolina and St. Olaf College in Minnesota, said emphasis at KU was more on teaching.
"The faculty has a real commitment to its students," he said. "There's a real concern for students in the graduate and undergrad programs at the school and teaching are nicely wedded here."
Angino said, "KU gives a lot more per-
sonal opportunities. It's much more open."
Angino taught three years at Texas A&M before coming to KU 10 years ago.
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background." The student should then concentrate in one area of his own choice, he said, so that he would have some expertise.
"The courses now are too diverse," Eagleman said. "We offer students a liberal education. We don't have a chance to specialize." He cautioned that too much of a broad background and not enough could cause problems in finding jobs.
"IT'S NOT THAT students have to know every detail, but if they learn certain basics and are taught the different sources of information they need, that they need to know." Eaichler said.
It's basically up to the teacher to determine what is essential and what is not. It depends on what the students are
Professors agreed that today's students were at least as interested in the natural world as they were in math and science.
"This has made teaching more of a challenge." Angino said. "It's more time consuming with all the information we must give."
If there is anything Burton sees that is different in today's students from students in the past, it is their lack of communication and motivation.
"STUDENTS HAVE remained quite stable, academically," he said. "However, the quality of students has increased slightly.
Many scholastic programs are added to keep students abreast of changes in parliaments.
"Students are hesitant to speak out. They don't level with teachers, because of the possibility the teacher rnay take it the wrong way."
Annual meetings of the Geologist Association Board, which consists of all alumni, are excellent in reviewing programs and informing graduate students of recent trends in the business world, Angino said.
Short courses are also given in science fields that the University doesn't offer.
ANGINO SAID that the University still couldn't always keep up with the changes.
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know many court procedures, how to file petitions or much about writing contracts. "I didn't even know how to take a statement from a witness." he said.
Hudson said that if he had worked for Legal Aid or be a clerk for a public attorney he would have adjusted more easily to the professional world. He said, however, that the school basically had a solid program.
COGGINS SAID that law schools didn't attempt to produce graduates who could go out after graduation and be 'a competent practitioner in all things.'
Rather, Coggins said, the primary goal of school is "to get students to think like adults."
Hudson said he doubted that law schools could really prepare a student well for everything he might encounter during his career.
Legal training by its nature involves a competitive, adversary relationship among students, Coggins said, a relationship that carries over to the classroom.
"It's not as cut and dried as medicine or other other professions," he said.
GRADUATES WHO went to work for larger firms said that if there were gaps in their educational backgrounds, special education teachers might adjust to their professional careers.
The law school's problem mentioned most was a lack of space and inadequate library resources. The department should be alleviated next year when the school moves into new Green Hall, now located at 705 W. University Drive.
Rhudy questioned whether the school might need some type of general practice course that would outline the offices and functions of various governments. He said a similar course was now offered at Washburn University's law school in Toekee.
KU STRESSES a national approach to
law, Rhudy said, rather than a Kansas law
award, which was at Washburn.
Some graduates said that Washburn favored a practical approach to law, as opposed to a more academic and abstract approach taken by KU.
Tanner said that in the past some law schools hadn't struck a balance between the two approaches of abstract theory and real-world knowledge. KU graduates had balanced backgrounds.
CLARK SAID presentation of theoretical ideas helped students understand basic principles because they must be able to solve problems in math, science and seminars, independent research papers and
clinics would help students gain practical experience.
For students in the third or sometimes second years, specialization may be made in areas of particular interest to them. Such areas include corporate or tax law, prison reform and defense of the poor and labor law.
Overman said work in labor law at KU had been excellent preparation for his future work in that area. He, like other graduates, said he was glad he came to KU.
"TVE BEEN away more than three years. I remember many of the good things and I've forgotten many of the problems we had." I wrote in my problems that I'd like to see changing.
"We don't necessarily have to hire new faculty, but we do need more equipment. We're not set up to use new equipment properly. We try to make the most out of outside speakers, visiting companies, government publications and video tapes."
Outside recruiters don't usually come and interview students for job offers, except in the summer.
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Ray Tickner, coordinator of recruitment and placement at Exkon, said that the company will recruit quite a few geology students. But he said there was not one set hiring pattern.
"For us to come to KU and recruit, graduates must be very good in the first year."
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By asking for Announcement 421 forms, he said, graduate students with a bachelor's degree can job interview in such fields as biology, environmental science, forestry and other life science fields.
He said that the job market in geography was small, especially in meteorology, but that graduates could get jobs as city or state agents or in or government and private businesses.
Vernon Geisler of University Placement Service said the best way for graduate students in natural sciences to obtain better job opportunities was to get a placement application from the U.S. Civil Service Commission.
JAMES SHORTRIDGE, assistant professor of geography, said no agency came to his department to do any work. He did it by going to certain agencies themselves.
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