UDK-FIRST WITH CAMPUS NEWS -UDK Photo by Mike Okun NAME ONE Harry Shaffer, associate professor of economics at KU, holds a sign asking Robert Love, head of the John Birch Society at Wichita, to give an example of government interference at a debate yesterday. Role of government Shaffer, Love debate By JOHN MARSHALL For more than three hours yesterday, people stood on chairs, sat in the aisles, and strained for a better look into 411 Summerfield. Harry G. Shaffer, KU professor of economics, and Robert Love, a Wichita businessman on the National Council of the John Birch Society, were debating the role of government in America. Love began by saying that government's role in America today is undesirable. "THE ESSENCE of government is basically force," Love said, "and each time you advocate government, you are advocating force." Love said that a new form of tyranny is now developing in U.S. government in the form of extreme socialism. If we listen to deToqueville's prediction that we must not fear government's weakness, but its excessive strength, we can see a totalitarian state developing here in America. Love said. "ARE YOU SAYING that government is interfering too much in business today?" Shaffer asked. No, not really. Love said, I'm saying that we would be better off with a more complete laissezfaire system. "But I think that government should interfere—in some instances," Shaffer said. "HOW IS ANYBODY to know when a drug, or medicine, or food is defective on the market, without some kind of government protection." Love began to reply, but Shaffer continued. And if you will also remember the kind of monopolies we had in America in the mid-19th century—you would want this again? Shaffer asked. "But we must remember that some monopolism is good," Shaffer said. "After all," Shaffer continued, "do we want eight sewage companies tearing up our streets, or a dozen telephone companies pounding poles in our yards?" WE CAN SLE. Shaffer said, that without some government "interference" we wouldn't have public schools, we wouldn't be able to protect our natural resources, and we couldn't protect "But this is not capitalism—which we are supposed to support," Love said, "are you advocating undemocratic capitalism?" the consumer. Daily Kansan II Wednesday, April 19, 1967 Well, Shaffer replied, we do have undemocratic capitalism already. "Where in this country do we have undemocratic capitalism?" Love asked. "In Mississippi," Shaffer answered. Dr. Clark Bricker speaking on Last Lecture Forum featuring: SUA April 20,1967 "The Energy Needs of the World" Thursday 4:30 p.m. Forum Room Hit the "Green" this weekend for the best of entertainment FRIDAY NIGHT - THE SHADOWS SATURDAY-RICH & the ROB ROYS Pick Up Reserve Tickets Through Saturday for the GENTRYS Wed., April 26