Page 12 University Daily Kansan Thursday, May 10, 1962 Midnight Oil' Sessions (Continued from page 1) nor received aid on this examination." He added, "This honor pledge does not entirely stop cheating, but it helps." Prof. Bass is a strong believer in the honor system and fully agrees that such a system should be started at KU, but is quick to point out that the honor system must have the full cooperation of all the students. "Everyone must accept the honor system if it is going to be successful," adds Prof. Bass. ANOTHER QUESTION that always seems to creep in when talking about the honor system is that by taking the stress off grades it might tend to stop cheating. "How are you going to grade the student then?" Prof Bass said. Francis Heller, associate dean of the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences and professor of political science, is another graduate of the University of Virginia. He explained how the system worked there. "In some cases it practically scares the students to death," Dean Heller says. The student knows exactly how the system works before he enters his first class. DURING ORIENTATION the new students receive a large amount of material and information about the honor system. "But every fall there are a number of heartbreaking cases. When the student newspaper comes out with a black box on the front page, it is an indication that a student has been dismissed from school because of cheating." The Honor System committee at Virginia consists of the presidents of the five schools of the University plus the vice president of the school of the accused student. To prove a student guilty of a cheating violation, at least four of the six have to vote "guilty." DEAN HELLER and Prof. Bass both agree that in order to have a successful honor system at any school, the student must take all or most of the responsibility. Dean Heller cited two reasons why the Honor System has worked so well at Virginia; - Long tradition. - Many of the students who attend Virginia come from prep schools or private high schools. "To have an effective honor system you must have a homogeneous student body," Dean Heller said. "At KU there are a number of transfer students and students from all over the U.S." This tends to work against the honor system, he said. AT THE END of each semester Prof. Bass asks his students to comment on any phase of the course. Among the varied comments on the honor pledge were; "I personally do not like to sign the honor pledge. I believe that if a student is going to cheat, he will cheat regardless. I think I see your logic in the pledge, but I personally do not agree with it. I think it is a bit trite." Another student's comment, "The honor pledge is a good idea although many people have told me that they thought it was terrible." A third student said, "The honor pledge is ridiculous. Anyone who was interested and/or inclined to cheat would cheat anyway." "I THINK YOU should continue the honor system," was another student's comment. Since we have spent considerable time on the honor system at KU, it is interesting to note how some of the junior college deans throughout the state feel about the honor system. KARL WILSON, dean of Coffeyville junior college says, "We take all precautions that are possible when administering a test. We use different examinations for subsequent sections of a course, and giving 'a' and 'b' examinations alternately in the same classes when crowded classrooms make this necessary." Fred Cinotto, dean of Independence junior college, said that his school does not use an honor system. "None of us have ever given consideration to the implementation to such a system." Kurt Galle, dean of Arkansas City junior college said the system was not used at his school. "IN OUR OPINION, it is an ideal system, but rather impractical. Students largely reflect the attitudes of their elders, and those of their associates as well as of the society in general. Nowhere in our society can one find anything comparable DON'T forget MOTHER on MOTHER'S DAY!! Buy her a book from the BOOK NOOK to the honor system, unless possibly it would be in a group which in some manner has succeeded in isolating itself sufficiently. PATRONIZE YOUR ADVERTISERS Don't be a meat-head! Get Vitalis with V-7. It keeps your hair neat all day without grease. Naturally. V-7® is the greaseless grooming discovery. Vitalis® with V-7 fights embarrassing dandruff, prevents dryness, keeps your hair neat all day without grease. Try it! "An honor system can be successful only when those to whom it applies are willing to enforce it on themselves, and they must also feel that any violation is so serious that they will be willing to do what is necessary to prevent violations. A few years ago a student in this institution (Arkansas City juco) remarked to an instructor following an examination: 'The cheating that took place in this room today, is hard on those of us who tried to be honest.'" It is evident from the remarks made by the instructors and students that there is a varied opinion on the honor system. To have a successful honor system the responsibility lies entirely with the students. As Dean Heller and Prof. Bass pointed out, there must be a homogeneous student body. But KU does not have such a student body and probably never will. Win your letters in style! Sharpen up in super-slim PIPER SLACKS Make your goal the quick and easy way...in low-riding, tight-fitting, sliver-slim Pipers! No cuffs and no belt...hidden side tabs handle the hold-up. In washable Du Pont Dacron*polyester blends; also colorful cotton fabrics. Get a few pair at stores that know the score... $4.95 to $10.95 $10.95. 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