University Daily Kansan / Friday, November 30, 1990
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course work. But in fact, they don't know what's ahead of them.
"That's a standard dilemma of English programs."
Yaremi Rivero, Valencia, Venezuela, junior, said he thought students themselves, not the AEC, should decide if they were prepared to take regular classes at the University if they needed to take AEC classes.
Some students who have a strong enough English proficiency to take regular KU classes are required to take AEC classes only because they once did not pass the English proficiency test, Rivao said.
Christine Chong, Kuaila Lumpur, Malaysia, freshman, did not pass the proficiency test in her first semester because was required to take two AFC classes.
Chong told an AEC counselor that she did not want to take AEC classes because she did not receive credit for them.
Students who are taking AEC classes pay the same amount of tuition as regular KU students.
"We pay for nothing," Chong said.
Because AEC classes are foreign-
language classes for foreign stud-
ents, it should be counted for
credit, she said.
Soppelaa said that faculty members in the center were interested in counting AEC classes for credit and had discussed this possibility, because students who had finished their second language level than U.S. students who studied second languages at the University.
However, the University considers English proficiency as a basic skill for all students at the University, she said.
Waste of time, money
George Woodyard, associate vice chancellor for academic affairs, said the University considered AEC classes as remedial courses.
"The AEC should be more flexible with students," she said.
Chong said she did not know much about admission and payment AEC classes.
If the University thought that it was students' responsibility to determine if they were eligible for regular English classes, there would be no English-as-a-second-language courses at KU, she said.
she formally was admitted to the University.
"I if knew about the AEC, I would not have come to KU," she said.
James Stinson, assistant director of the office of Admissions, said that when the office admitted foreign students to the University, it informed them that they had been admitted provisionally.
She said the University had prerequisites for many courses. Eng. Gail Cowan, who worked at the university,
Soppelsa does not agree.
She took three AEC classes before
He did not pass the proficiency test at KU and was required to take AEC classes. He said that he did not understand why he needed to take the English test even though the University accepted his English credits from Penn Valley as the equivalents of English 101 and 102.
Some foreign students who transferred from other U.S. universities were confused when they found out that they had to take AEC classes, even though they could transfer their English 101 and 102 credits to KU.
Simon Chang, a student from Shanghai, China, transferred in Spring 1990 to KU from Penn Valley Community College in Kansas City, Mo. After one semester, he transferred to Wichita State University
The office tells students in its literature that if foreign students do not have English proficiency that is equal to scoring 570 on the Test of English as a Foreign Language, they must be taken to AEC classes. Silmson said.
On the proposed Engineering Fee will be held Monday, December 3rd at 7:00 pm in the Kansas Union Ballroom.
Sopsela said that foreign transfer students sometimes needed to take AEC classes even though they could transfer English credits because English proficiency standards of other universities were not as high as KU's standards.
A FORUM
Soppela said the AEC revised its brochure this year to explain the AEC and be more explicit for students.
"If you do that, you will cut out many students who now are able to come to KU because there are English language courses here," she said.
Chong said that to avoid foreign students' waste of time and money and to diminish the confusion of the admissions policy, the admission office should consider not provisionally accepting foreign students.
Soppeila said many U.S. universities admitted foreign students who had certain TOEFL scores, but KU admitted foreign undergraduate students regardless of their English proficiency.
Equal access
She said it was possible that the University would set a certain TOEFL score for the admissions requirement.
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Presidents of International Student Organizations and/or International Students:
Friday. Nov. 30, 1990
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